TheUltimateCake wrote:The reason that Forger and Disguiser are being reworked is because they're way too underpowered compared to Mafia Support roles and Janitor. Consort can RB key members of the Town, Consig/BMer can both get info, and BMer can make someone shut up for a night. Also, Janitor can get claim space for Mafia, as well as still knowing their original role. Now let's see what Forger and Disguiser do.
Forger's ability is very situational. You need to know their role, and also make up a convincing will in 30 seconds or less. This will be even harder if they've already posted their will in chat, as you'll have to copy it exactly or it'll be pretty obvious it's forged.
Disguiser is also very situational. Sure it is easy to claim TP with it, that's only because it's ability isn't that good. Every Mafia role should try when alive, but Disguiser's ability only gets real value when they die. Disguiser literally has to die, in order to use it's ability.
So, what you're saying is, Mafia Deception is an underpowered class in comparison with the other ones?
The thing about copying exact is, I don't think someone really pays that much attention. Usually, when I play with Forger, I make a will something like this:
[Name]-[Role] (I usually forger TI because other roles aren't worth forged, but might be situational)
N1 Mafia Teammate 1 (inno/invest results they claim/he visited Jailor)
N2 Mafia Teammate 2 (inno/invest results they claim/he visited Jailor)
N3 Mafia Teammate 3 (inno/invest results they claim/he visited Jailor)
N4 Me (inno/invest results they claim/he visited Jailor)
Though, He might die until then and too many changes MIGHT be observed so I try to Forge a will as fast as I can. I also prepare a will DAYS before forging.
Disguiser? I just Disguise as someone and make my own will.
It might be based on opinions though, I see not many people like these 2 roles.