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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:05 am

Hellosither wrote:uh I can’t play the game today

Sparking is most likely wolf out of visitor claimants, and if it isn’t him it’s almost always hyena

Javi or w.e they’re called I’m 99% sure is not lying based on timing of claim and context surrounding it

Hyena I would expect to be more hesitant before claiming visitor if they were scum given how little context of the claiming they would have, though I wouldn’t put it entirely past them - lack of hesitance in claiming visitor if they are mafia implies fair likelihood at least someone in the other mafia was active to explain the situation to hyena in that short time period

Sparking claim imo had nothing town leaning, timing was fair game for mafia and the amount of certainty they had in a cc sounded suspect - some certainty is understandable but I think the amount was too high

Also I do not like how this end of day is progressing well for sparking without my input

Lynch should always be sparking or hyena, I would say sparking

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re: hyena
I do buy that and I'm not convinced they're as sure of the situation as visitor without having read thread
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:07 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:14 am

Hellosither wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:uh I can’t play the game today

Sparking is most likely wolf out of visitor claimants, and if it isn’t him it’s almost always hyena

Javi or w.e they’re called I’m 99% sure is not lying based on timing of claim and context surrounding it

Hyena I would expect to be more hesitant before claiming visitor if they were scum given how little context of the claiming they would have, though I wouldn’t put it entirely past them - lack of hesitance in claiming visitor if they are mafia implies fair likelihood at least someone in the other mafia was active to explain the situation to hyena in that short time period

Sparking claim imo had nothing town leaning, timing was fair game for mafia and the amount of certainty they had in a cc sounded suspect - some certainty is understandable but I think the amount was too high

Also I do not like how this end of day is progressing well for sparking without my input

Lynch should always be sparking or hyena, I would say sparking

bye

This literally doesn't explain why you view me lower than Hyena

4th sentence is unreliable without certainty that they didn't know context
and if they didn't know context why were they so eager to claim without knowing the plan or purpose behind it?

yes it does?

certainty is not required to have a lean here, higher likelihood is sufficient

Because town believes in what town are doing and are essentially forced to play along or towns plans are ruined, so they have no reason for hesitance. Mafia absolutely has reason for hesitance in determining their claim, since they have to decide visitor or non-visitor

anyway actually gtg now bye, take my stance how you will @town

You accused me of expecting Mafia to do the only +EV move that potentially saves their chances of winning.

HelloSither wrote:Because town believes in what town are doing and are essentially forced to play along or towns plans are ruined, so they have no reason for hesitance. Mafia absolutely has reason for hesitance in determining their claim, since they have to decide visitor or non-visitor

no, if you roll a PR whose only purpose to exist in this game is to die for the real PRs
You would be somewhat hesitant to claim and question it for clarification.
Putting faith into what town are doing rather than asking for clarification is silly.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:16 am

Hellosither wrote:/vote sparking

bye wolf

Should we have the PRs claim today or no? I’m indifferent

No
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:18 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:20 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:though actually, now that I think about it

I think there's a chance this is legit for ~reasons
(I think said reasons should be fairly clear to anyone reading the thread btw)

/vote Chemist

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:21 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

imagine this: JK makes an incorrect hypo on a scum person
both PRs are dead people walking
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:23 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

imagine this: JK makes an incorrect hypo on a scum person
both PRs are dead people walking

In that case, it would just create Flake's idea.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:23 am

TBH I intend to vote Hyena but I Dont want that to be hammer.
So, can somebody tell me VC?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:25 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

imagine this: JK makes an incorrect hypo on a scum person
both PRs are dead people walking

In that case, it would just create Flake's idea.

we already had visitors claim
what good would prs also claiming do in the current scenario?
that would just create kosmo's idea, but worse for town
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:25 am

UzayAltay wrote:TBH I intend to vote Hyena but I Dont want that to be hammer.
So, can somebody tell me VC?

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:26 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

imagine this: JK makes an incorrect hypo on a scum person
both PRs are dead people walking

In that case, it would just create Flake's idea.

we already had visitors claim
what good would prs also claiming do in the current scenario?
that would just create kosmo's idea, but worse for town

Main idea behind PRs claiming was so that Nea isn't in the open.
As we have a small pool of unknowns due to 5 people claiming Citizen.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:28 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:TBH I intend to vote Hyena but I Dont want that to be hammer.
So, can somebody tell me VC?

Hyena | 4 | Sparking, Kosmo, 3cheers, Chemist
Sparking | 3 | Poly, Hello, Hyena

Mhm I had better avoid putting L1, too.
I can vote close to EOD anyway.
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:28 am

UzayAltay wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:TBH I intend to vote Hyena but I Dont want that to be hammer.
So, can somebody tell me VC?

Hyena | 4 | Sparking, Kosmo, 3cheers, Chemist
Sparking | 3 | Poly, Hello, Hyena

Mhm I had better avoid putting L1, too.
I can vote close to EOD anyway.

EoD is in 30 mins, ya dingus
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:29 am

Spoiler:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Hellosither wrote:also maybe dumb idea but

would it be positive for Neop to our considering amount of cit claims and the hypos

Then Jailkeeper can wifom being on them

Y’all ponder that ok bye

depends if nea hypoclaimed.

Suggestion: both PRs out and claim Nea checks.

idk if that's a good idea yet in the long run just came to mind.

this is a terrible idea

Adds a layer of WIFOM whilst having Nea claim checks without actually revealing

why is that terrible?

imagine this: JK makes an incorrect hypo on a scum person
both PRs are dead people walking

In that case, it would just create Flake's idea.

we already had visitors claim
what good would prs also claiming do in the current scenario?
that would just create kosmo's idea, but worse for town

Main idea behind PRs claiming was so that Nea isn't in the open.
As we have a small pool of unknowns due to 5 people claiming Citizen.

do you have a list of all the claims so far?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:30 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:TBH I intend to vote Hyena but I Dont want that to be hammer.
So, can somebody tell me VC?

Hyena | 4 | Sparking, Kosmo, 3cheers, Chemist
Sparking | 3 | Poly, Hello, Hyena

Mhm I had better avoid putting L1, too.
I can vote close to EOD anyway.

EoD is in 30 mins, ya dingus

And voting Take 10 seconds
Which means I can safely vote when I see there is 10 minutes left
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:30 am

There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:31 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

How claiming change The situation ?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:32 am

UzayAltay wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

How claiming change The situation ?

Both claim PR not actual roles.

Allows them to wifom protect each other.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:33 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

as I've said, exactly kosmo's idea but worse for town
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:35 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

as I've said, exactly kosmo's idea but worse for town

Didn't you scumread Chem?

If Chem is wolf there in your pov why are you against both PRs just coming out.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:36 am

I'm not claiming today
mist ~ she/her

i guess this is goodbye?
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:36 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

How claiming change The situation ?

Both claim PR not actual roles.

Allows them to wifom protect each other.

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I suggest You to read JK Rolecard and realize JK should make two saves to have a benefit ml-wise.
Only benefit of it is If no cc comes, Than nea know Who JK is , So they wont Check them, but If nea cant have a Check Than It's benefit is Zero.
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:39 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:There is literally a pool of 3 of people that didn't claim Citizen/Visitor: [Chemist / Crimson / Poly]

If both PRs are in there, they are fucked.

I think claiming may be necessary

as I've said, exactly kosmo's idea but worse for town

Didn't you scumread Chem?

If Chem is wolf there in your pov why are you against both PRs just coming out.

ugh, why do I have to spell this out to you
I'd rather have the PRs be shielded by the cits than make a play that in 90% of cases is suicide for both JK and Nea
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:41 am

this is basically a V+ setup (very few PRs), outting PRs on D2 basically basically turns the game into a mountainous because the PRs are almost always guaranteed to die shortly after
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