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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby Royee » Sun May 10, 2020 11:49 am

the ideal play of prankster day 1 is to either kill(if there is a capo you can't do anything because this role is mostly useless and you probably will be converted into other role) or prank someone with sp.
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 11:50 am

alternative argument here is that you're saying uzay was safer but then why run the risk of sending them into a BG or being spotted by RT LO etc.

If we're talking n1, there was very little risk involved to any of them since I was outed. Making a safe play to have prankster do the kill over gf makes little sense when there is little danger and prankster although limited offers more utility than gf
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:51 am

also janitor could have a charge and they decided to kill abstractal cause he townread me and scumread eragon

considering you are eragon's best defender that doesn't seem that unlikely tbh

and yes, sp could be a decent move too
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:52 am

ElusiveBelle wrote:alternative argument here is that you're saying uzay was safer but then why run the risk of sending them into a BG or being spotted by RT LO etc.

If we're talking n1, there was very little risk involved to any of them since I was outed. Making a safe play to have prankster do the kill over gf makes little sense when there is little danger and prankster although limited offers more utility than gf


ok

let's play this game then: where is the n1 prank? abstractal cannot possibly have stopped it since they scared the bomber off me

both me and royee suggested better solutions ratehr than doing literally nothing (bombing/withcing/making sp)
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 11:52 am

ladd wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
ladd wrote:just because eragon made those arguments it doesn't mean they don't make sense

again if uzay didn't do the nks, wtf was he doing?

from n3+ he def made the nks since he wa bombed but n1/n2 there is no pranks afaict

also on top of that janitor being out of charges implies they were stopped by Marshal at least once and with limited charges and janitor using two that likely means prankster was busy running marshal defense most of the game


elaborate?

janitor used 2 cleans which means they have one left or used that one against the marshal.

Not wanting to use up janitor charges it's very likely prankster was using their charges to block the marshal and insure kills
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:53 am

you are saying the gf/capo made the kill while the prankster did nothing

why the fuck would mafia play it like that?

the only possible arguments i can possibly see is have 3 people stack on murat buy that seems super risky if there is a LO (murat was a fairly high priority target for prot/LO imo)
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:55 am

ElusiveBelle wrote:
ladd wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
ladd wrote:just because eragon made those arguments it doesn't mean they don't make sense

again if uzay didn't do the nks, wtf was he doing?

from n3+ he def made the nks since he wa bombed but n1/n2 there is no pranks afaict

also on top of that janitor being out of charges implies they were stopped by Marshal at least once and with limited charges and janitor using two that likely means prankster was busy running marshal defense most of the game


elaborate?

janitor used 2 cleans which means they have one left or used that one against the marshal.

Not wanting to use up janitor charges it's very likely prankster was using their charges to block the marshal and insure kills


ok, from n2+

what about n1 which is the only night that matters
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 11:55 am

explain how bomb or witch is better n1?
They have no idea what ne or nk is in play?
Both run risk of exposing prankster immediately n1 which mitigates their use from the start.

Honestly pranking n1 is a terrible idea when you don't know what's in play. Maybe it would make more sense n2 onwards but not n1
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:56 am

ElusiveBelle wrote:explain how bomb or witch is better n1?
They have no idea what ne or nk is in play?
Both run risk of exposing prankster immediately n1 which mitigates their use from the start.

Honestly pranking n1 is a terrible idea when you don't know what's in play. Maybe it would make more sense n2 onwards but not n1


it generates confusion

that's literally the best and only use of a prankster

or they could have used it as royee said to give a sp result to someone (which addimitdely we have no way of knowing since we lynched the sheriff d1)
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 11:57 am

ladd wrote:you are saying the gf/capo made the kill while the prankster did nothing

why the fuck would mafia play it like that?

the only possible arguments i can possibly see is have 3 people stack on murat buy that seems super risky if there is a LO (murat was a fairly high priority target for prot/LO imo)

No? Why would tp or lo be on anyone but me really no?
Granted glacial was on you which is questionable in and of itself especially as marshal and I'm claimed tk with a possible witch in play
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 11:59 am

ladd wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:explain how bomb or witch is better n1?
They have no idea what ne or nk is in play?
Both run risk of exposing prankster immediately n1 which mitigates their use from the start.

Honestly pranking n1 is a terrible idea when you don't know what's in play. Maybe it would make more sense n2 onwards but not n1


it generates confusion

that's literally the best and only use of a prankster

or they could have used it as royee said to give a sp result to someone (which addimitdely we have no way of knowing since we lynched the sheriff d1)

Confusion that'll be settled very quickly once again mitigating their use.

The best use of prankster i can see is the big brain play as I've said to fake RBd then use prankster to fake RBs from the Klepto to make 2304 look like an escort and sell Eragon as clear
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 11:59 am

when have you seen the mafia holster the n1 prankster?

i bet there is almost no mafia team who would do that. they'd come up with all kind of dumb ideas for gambit but they would not holster

i feel like i am talking to a wall but anyway let's go over n1 again:

do you think prankster/janitor/gf(or capo) all visited murat n1?

if not, at worst MH/prankster are equally likely to have made the nk
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:01 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
ladd wrote:you are saying the gf/capo made the kill while the prankster did nothing

why the fuck would mafia play it like that?

the only possible arguments i can possibly see is have 3 people stack on murat buy that seems super risky if there is a LO (murat was a fairly high priority target for prot/LO imo)

No? Why would tp or lo be on anyone but me really no?
Granted glacial was on you which is questionable in and of itself especially as marshal and I'm claimed tk with a possible witch in play


well matter of fact no one protected you n1 and no one watched you n1

and i bet if we run this game again and d1 plays that way most of the time no one is on you n1 (except maybe LO i guess)
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 12:01 pm

ladd wrote:when have you seen the mafia holster the n1 prankster?

i bet there is almost no mafia team who would do that. they'd come up with all kind of dumb ideas for gambit but they would not holster

i feel like i am talking to a wall but anyway let's go over n1 again:

do you think prankster/janitor/gf(or capo) all visited murat n1?

if not, at worst MH/prankster are equally likely to have made the nk

I've probably seen it more then I've seen it not.
Similar to seeing deto target themselves more than not.

But really I see no reason for mafia to prank n1 then also risk the prankster utility over GF when a sherif is already dead
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:03 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
ladd wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:explain how bomb or witch is better n1?
They have no idea what ne or nk is in play?
Both run risk of exposing prankster immediately n1 which mitigates their use from the start.

Honestly pranking n1 is a terrible idea when you don't know what's in play. Maybe it would make more sense n2 onwards but not n1


it generates confusion

that's literally the best and only use of a prankster

or they could have used it as royee said to give a sp result to someone (which addimitdely we have no way of knowing since we lynched the sheriff d1)

Confusion that'll be settled very quickly once again mitigating their use.

The best use of prankster i can see is the big brain play as I've said to fake RBd then use prankster to fake RBs from the Klepto to make 2304 look like an escort and sell Eragon as clear


that's way more unrealistic than all my theories lol, how would they know they were cleaning an escort?

but sure, if it gives me even a chance to win f3 (should i get there), it's possible
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:03 pm

i'd ask you to quote me games cause i don't believe you have seen one mafia PR literally doing nothing n1 pretty much ever

but idrc enough and probably neither do you
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:05 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
But really I see no reason for mafia to prank n1 then also risk the prankster utility over GF when a sherif is already dead


k, i disagree. but let's say you are right

why would gf make the kill over the prankster?
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 12:06 pm

I mean I've been said prankster before pretty sure.
But I can't remember specific games.

I've also used prankster n1 but usually in a grand over thought plot. So really prankster used n1 is of you have a plan to go with it for the long run not some easily countered half baked prank that'll reveal prankster exists without a capo in play
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:07 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:I mean I've been said prankster before pretty sure.
But I can't remember specific games.

I've also used prankster n1 but usually in a grand over thought plot. So really prankster used n1 is of you have a plan to go with it for the long run not some easily countered half baked prank that'll reveal prankster exists without a capo in play


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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 12:08 pm

Also gon have lunch with me ma so I'll be back in a few hours.
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 12:11 pm

k, then i am out for today

i have a busy day at work tmr so i don't really think i'll post much more (including tmr) for real this time

i have already wasted more of my weekend than i wanted on this game
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby chitownmvp01 » Sun May 10, 2020 1:01 pm

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Can klepto use a cleaned players action?


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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby xXIllegalPotatoXx » Sun May 10, 2020 1:34 pm

ladd wrote:k, then i am out for today

i have a busy day at work tmr so i don't really think i'll post much more (including tmr) for real this time

i have already wasted more of my weekend than i wanted on this game


Wait one more thing...you've spent an awful lot of time defending Eragon. So if you don't think Eragon is scum, does that mean you think it's a potato/royee scumteam???
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun May 10, 2020 3:42 pm

So I had time to think on it.
Ladd is pushing that prankster would do their thing n13 because chaos, so if they did they either pranked Fenagon making them not mafia, why prank one of your own?
Or pranked someone else meaning Eragon still would have had to pull the kill and we know that isn't possible because of the RB.

So I'm pretty sure I'm right here about this that prankster did nothing which I'm curious as to why that's a bad thing? What's the difference of GF doing nothing vs prankster doing nothing?
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Re: XX6 | DC Universe Mafia | Day 7 | Loss of Protection

Postby ladd » Sun May 10, 2020 9:28 pm

no i am pushing that prankster did the kill. not that they used their n1 action

i am saying IF they had not made the kill they wouldnt have holstered and we'd have some evidence of a prank n1

Gf has literally no abilities and prankster does lol. that's the difference
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