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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby Multiuniverse » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:21 pm

dota2reporter wrote:
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dota2reporter wrote:also multi is trending down for me

that analysis makes him look pretty bad, also keeping in mind my tr of acidic


then explain why you think the analysis is bad

wut?

im talking about the votecount analysis i made, you were on none of the top wagons


oh nvm
i thought you meant something else

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:23 pm

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:41 pm

therealet1 wrote:how is 'genuinely believing someones town' a reason to townread them what the fuck
and yes, derpclear denied dafuq

Besides you cutting out major parts of the read. Do you seriously think Acidic is the type of person to oppose the major wagon rather than let the lynch happen?

Why do you deny it, explain that to me. You seem way too quick to assume.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:47 pm

Hi. I'm here now. :P
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:53 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:Hi. I'm here now. :P

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:02 pm

UzayAltay wrote:I found some things You Dont Like and some questions You asked , but it is All .

Good job on minimizing my points to 'things I don't like and some questions I asked'. Way to go.

Here, I'll help you. These are the three points I brought up earlier:
-- When provided a list of five people that Dota mentioned could have 3 scum in it, Michael selected Google to be the towniest over ET and Poly
-- Is suddenly not liking ET after not mentioning them at all pretty much the entire game and only AFTER Dota finds a reason to put them in his PoE?
-- Is suddenly feeling confident about Acidic without explanation after suddenly feeling not confident when given a chance to vote them yesterday and tie up their wagon with his. (and apparently, they've found another reason today to suddenly not vote Acidic even though they're feeling more confident that they're scum than Jackson).

And then here are more points that I brought up earilier D4 than that:
-- Had the same jokey, not taking things serious tone that HTG had (the evidence I gave was them proposing to thunderdome each other but not actually doing anything with it).
-- Also shaded me unnecessarily, just like HTG, for wanting to take a break from catching up during D3.
-- Making shallow threats to scumread Jackson.

And these are just points I brought up during D4. I've brought up other points during other days, too, but the ones above all come up in the first page of my ISO, so I don't know how you missed them if you're reading my posts from most recent to oldest.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:06 pm

UzayAltay wrote:That Dont explain your vote on them .
When Acidic is A wagon , too

He's sheeping me, mo'fo. He literally said it when he voted. Implicitly, that means he agrees with the points that I made on Michael. Why don't you go and actually read and refute them if you disagree. Otherwise, don't try to stop my wagon by chastising people joining it.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:10 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:uzay trying to defend micheal but not saying any reason why is hilarious

Maybe Because You Dont give any actual reason ?

You defending him is not related to me, plenty of other people scumread/vote them but you seem intent on defending them from solely ME, which is stupid.

Maybe Because I think that jump imply SvT ?

You're not even reading Michael at this point. You aren't reading any of the points I'm making against him. This is scummy as fuck, Uzay. All you're doing here is sowing doubt on the wagon without even evaluating Michael and the points made against him.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:11 pm

If you're scared I will venge hyena why are you pushing me to begin with
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:13 pm

LOLingHyena wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
polypies73 wrote:uzay trying to defend micheal but not saying any reason why is hilarious

Maybe Because You Dont give any actual reason ?

You defending him is not related to me, plenty of other people scumread/vote them but you seem intent on defending them from solely ME, which is stupid.

Maybe Because I think that jump imply SvT ?

You're not even reading Michael at this point. You aren't reading any of the points I'm making against him. This is scummy as fuck, Uzay. All you're doing here is sowing doubt on the wagon without even evaluating Michael and the points made against him.

And if I remember correctly, didn't you fucking do the same when I was pushing Debil on D2 and when other people were pushing HTG D3? What the fuck. Stop trying to derail people's wagons and suspicions with this kind of bullshit.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:17 pm

therealet1 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
therealet1 wrote:how is 'genuinely believing someones town' a reason to townread them what the fuck
and yes, derpclear denied dafuq

Besides you cutting out major parts of the read. Do you seriously think Acidic is the type of person to oppose the major wagon rather than let the lynch happen?

Why do you deny it, explain that to me. You seem way too quick to assume.

i didnt
i asked why they were townread and those are the reasons

whether they are the type of person to oppose the major wagon or not, that in no way means that acidic is town for it
mafia in this game should care more about their image than the people who get hanged

genuinely believes someones town could mean literally anything. You took out the part of not wanting the lynch at EoD.

So how does refusing to lynch and wanting a no-lynch going to look for Acidic's image? Your point makes more more sense for my argument than it does yours lol

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby kosmo16 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:20 pm

I like this more than Jackson:
/vote Michael

I will be here EoD to change my vote eventually.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:20 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:If you're scared I will venge hyena why are you pushing me to begin with

It's for the off-chance that you do flip town, you can't venge Hyena.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:20 pm

dota2reporter wrote:what does everyone think about a jackson wagon?

suddenly when the focus isnt on her she doesnt do anything, not a coincidence imo

dota2reporter wrote:/vote jackson


There was a specific reason why I wanted to put a Michael wagon up against an Acidic wagon, and even though Michael did end up doing what I thought he'd do, I feel like you gave Michael another out to not vote Acidic.

As for the point itself, yeah, I'm starting to notice that now.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:23 pm

therealet1 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
therealet1 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
therealet1 wrote:how is 'genuinely believing someones town' a reason to townread them what the fuck
and yes, derpclear denied dafuq

Besides you cutting out major parts of the read. Do you seriously think Acidic is the type of person to oppose the major wagon rather than let the lynch happen?

Why do you deny it, explain that to me. You seem way too quick to assume.

i didnt
i asked why they were townread and those are the reasons

whether they are the type of person to oppose the major wagon or not, that in no way means that acidic is town for it
mafia in this game should care more about their image than the people who get hanged

genuinely believes someones town could mean literally anything. You took out the part of not wanting the lynch at EoD.

So how does refusing to lynch and wanting a no-lynch going to look for Acidic's image? Your point makes more more sense for my argument than it does yours lol

acidics image would only be affected by the genuineness behind her words in that plan and that's it
and personally i dont read them as genuine at all

wanting a nolynch is completely nai

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby kosmo16 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:24 pm

kosmo16 wrote:I like this more than Jackson:
/vote Michael

I will be here EoD to change my vote eventually.


But I hope it won't be necessary. Michael is quite a good lynch imo.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:25 pm

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:25 pm

kosmo16 wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:I like this more than Jackson:
/vote Michael

I will be here EoD to change my vote eventually.


But I hope it won't be necessary. Michael is quite a good lynch imo.

Assume Michael is flips town who would you want venged?

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:26 pm

therealet1 wrote:feel free to prove me wrong in telling me why its ai

Yes.

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:28 pm

kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:alright give your argument


I base it enitrely on his meta. He is a way more agressive and confident in Town games. I just think he wants to make "a play".

theres been no backup though

jackson's hyena case starts at eod3 with "omg hyena is leading town, what if he's scum?", voting hyena right at EoD (potentially forcing a nolynch), and then one post at d4 saying "i still think hyena is scum"

that's why i think jackson's hyena "scumread" is just an excuse to explain her EoD3 imo


Trying to force No Lynch is stupid. Wouldn't scum! Jackson be more careful with that?

scum!HTG tried to force a no lynch the day she got lynched. It looked like Jackson was following HTG's lead, including forcing the no lynch as well as the vote on me. Does that affect your read on Jackson?
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:34 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i dont think missing 0/3 or missing 3/3 is strongly indicative of something though

htg and debil didnt miss wagons while they were alive and both flipped mafia

and i think the 3/3s matter only when the person has high chance of getting venged so i dont think it makes multi look bad and as i said i dont think acidic is scum either

It could have caused the opposite effect for scum. Early game pretty sure we discussed people who skip the main wagons are to be seen as scummy.
So may have actually influenced scum to vote wagon to avoid the suspicion

This is actually a fair point. I'll make a note to think about this later.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:39 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:if that doesnt show acidic is mislynch bait, idk what does

For proving that you should show who makes them ML bait , you know?( who is scum pushing them)

Okay, so, this is not a bad suggestion actually, and I'm surprised more people haven't been analyzing their own and other people's wagons this game. If you're town being wagoned, it's not a bad idea to look at the composition of your wagon and guess how many scum/town are on it and who those scum could be.
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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:45 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Also you can’t just go saying “I won’t vote Michael without a case” when you literally are not reading cases

lol, that truth

UzayAltay wrote:Chem I understood what you scumread
But objectively , it is a theory , not a case.

Oh, ffs

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UzayAltay wrote:Chem I understood what you scumread
But objectively , it is a theory , not a case.

You can literally say that about every case ever

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Re: SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia - The Melted: Day 4

Postby LOLingHyena » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:06 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
polypies73 wrote:actually why do people think wabbit is town.

it's the magical "it's wabbit"

that or hyena's list may have influenced others

That's the one drawback of playing loudly, yeah. ;[ I dunno how to really fix it.

TheWabbit wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:Meh...
Aside from few small disagreements in placements, I am kinda vibing with this list.

which ones do you disagree with?

I'd move Poly up to second tier, ET down to third tier, Always up to third tier, Michael down to bottom tier, Kosmo up to fourth tier. If I ignore that Uzay and Multi could be Debil's townclears, I move both of them down to fourth tier and Chemist to third tier.
I feel like AlwaysNever, ET, and Chemist should be in the same tier, but not the second most bottom tier. Kosmo might move up there, too, eventually.

TheWabbit wrote:google's slot feels worse than poly or et
poly has low scum equity after htg flipped, but i'm unsure about how much it holds
et, i haven't checked myself so that's just benefit of doubt

Before Kosmo replaced in, I agreed, and even now, I'd still agree that the Google/Kosmo slot is lower than Poly and ET. Kosmo's trending upwards for me though.
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