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RockFire wrote:Um, so according to this I'm the last non MH Mafia because that'd be the only way what you claimed would make sense that would make sense and I'm fairly sure the only possibility of me being scum that I can understand is Witch. The real question here is where the Mafia kill actually went because I did shoot Rick and if what you're saying is true then he'd have to have been RBed which means no kills have apparently been happening these past two days for some reason?
Marionette did not exist during any lynches after the Lex one, especially the one with Nhero. I don't think it still exists, otherwise it sounds OP considering it can manipulate any lynch.RockFire wrote:Also, why in the world would I unvote Rick as Mafia at L-1 when Marionette exists and we know it has to be Mafia from the Lex lynch so I'd just push through such a plan? I mean, unless we're all assuming it's a one shot ability. I unvoted because people were saying things and I didn't want the day to end abruptly as we were saying things.
Naru2008 wrote:As much as I've read Rick as scum...for once I genuinely feel like he's not being scummy right now. However I also cannot commit to a Rock lynch either, and I have reasons for this I won't mention, but I find Ender's claim to be suspicious.'
I thought we weren't going to just claim, but it seems like we are after all. :v
enderitem wrote:Marionette did not exist during any lynches after the Lex one, especially the one with Nhero. I don't think it still exists, otherwise it sounds OP considering it can manipulate any lynch.RockFire wrote:Also, why in the world would I unvote Rick as Mafia at L-1 when Marionette exists and we know it has to be Mafia from the Lex lynch so I'd just push through such a plan? I mean, unless we're all assuming it's a one shot ability. I unvoted because people were saying things and I didn't want the day to end abruptly as we were saying things.
RockFire wrote:Also, how in the world does a self heal work if you get RBed when attacked and healed? You RB yourself but you still heal?
Ender, I have literally nothing to tell you besides your claim doesn't line up with things because I shot Rick and it failed and him not claiming RBed while you claim he should be makes no sense if you're town like I think you are. Hm. Maybe he figured it was a Mafia action and lied about it? Naru claimed RBed first yeah?
RockFire wrote:Also, how in the world does a self heal work if you get RBed when attacked and healed? You RB yourself but you still heal?
Ender, I have literally nothing to tell you besides your claim doesn't line up with things because I shot Rick and it failed and him not claiming RBed while you claim he should be makes no sense if you're town like I think you are. Hm. Maybe he figured it was a Mafia action and lied about it? Naru claimed RBed first yeah?
RockFire wrote:I was one of the ones that pushed Lex to be put up to vote D2. Mela was in my lynch list D3. I've been bussing all game if you assume your scenario is true. Of course I'd suspect a Parity Cop claim as a JOAT with a Parity Cop two shot because it's a lot of investigative power. I backed off because mela and Rick responded in ways that made sense to me at the time.
If you want to meta argue, when Rick was a mod Vig did have 3 shots. Guiltless was obvious when TP didn't die but then, witches could still control guilted Vigs to shoot again I think. I checked Arc and then Max because I thought Rick was town like everyone else after the mela flip and I shot him because I got suspicious again going into last night because it made no sense to have so many TI roles with the ability to preform checks and clear potentially a third of the game in two nights and Nhero flipped town which meant the kill had to go somewhere and following my theory that Rick was witch, I assumed it went there.
RockFire wrote:And if you want to argue about the whole checks thing, I could have just claimed yesterday that I checked Rick and he was different if I was scum because that would have been an easy lynch to have happen if I were really Mafia since I came out and claimed and did want Rick lynched yesterday for the reasoning I've already given.
RockFire wrote:I checked Arc and then Max because I thought Rick was town like everyone else after the mela flip and I shot him because I got suspicious again going into last night because it made no sense to have so many TI roles with the ability to preform checks and clear potentially a third of the game in two nights and Nhero flipped town which meant the kill had to go somewhere and following my theory that Rick was witch, I assumed it went there.
No, this is definitely the smarter play. Otherwise, you coming out of nowhere and claiming this would have faced much more resistance. That should be obvious. You had to do it like this, otherwise you would get lynched for nothing or watch him expose everyone one by one and with Poison's claim, it should definitely be a child's play for Town after if Rick survives.RockFire wrote:Ender, I put the spotlight on me D4 when I claimed and starting yelling I wanted to lynch Rick. A smarter play would have been to just say nothing and then claim today that I shot Rick and it failed without having to be the check last night. Also my JOAT claim has a through line all the way to D3. All I know is that either a Rick lynch shows us why he didn't claim RBed if that's how it works or you're lying because I know my action happened last night but I doubt that'll convince you either way from your perspective if you're town.
All in all, the Rick lynch kind of just gets way more info on it for me since I know he's scum.
RockFire wrote:Also, Ender, I didn't assume we'd have some weird doctor in the game because if nobody got healed or no BG memes happened, I assumed it'd have to be Marshal in the game as the prot. I figured they'd be on Poison to protect a kill/Witch because what else would you logically assume if you thought TP was a regular Vig? I knew two shots was almost guaranteed because of my role so I figured I'd shoot Rick because the Witch thing made sense to me if he wasn't protected N3 due to the RB on Nhero and him flipping town.
RockFire wrote:Either way nothing I say will convince you if you are town because I know I'm not lying and nothing would change it anyway if you're scum. I would put my vote down on Rick right now to further cement that point but having someone at L-1 is bad when we don't know if the marionette can return or not. Which is why I unvoted in the first place which is apparently a scum oriented thing to do.
RockFire wrote:In conclusion, the Rick lynch is still the one that gives us the most info and nothing you've said changes that for me since it means either Rick has some caveat in his rolecard when he flips for a scum role or you're both scum and you're trying to save him somehow so
I highly doubt that there's more to say today aside from what has already been done since our argument isn't going anywhere else today and I think that's all the info out there that gives us enough to work with tomorrow. Also as a personal aside, I'm kind of frustrated that this game is still going on into the semester because I figured it'd be done since we probably wouldn't use everyday to it's fullest.
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