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[RockFire]

Also that sinister presence redirect thing would have to be an action which would mean if you assume Poison is Mafia then their did their JOAT thing which means no kills happened because the mafia decided not to?

The redirect can't be neutral because the neutral is Witch so that doesn't add up either.

[Veeena]

All of this is confusing me, and yes, you can consider this a fluff post. I am rereading this and the page before so bear with it.

[Arcthurus]

It's a little unexpected rock and I are the top posters. You can tell we both have no life. Jerme, Rick, Poison where are youuuu

[RockFire]

Classes don't start for me until this coming Monday so I'll probably not be around too much until the afternoon during then and my being around will be less frequent. I'll just add Met to the list of people that aren't around like nerds. Also, Arc, you and I have been going back and forth since yesterday so obviously we'd have the majority of posts.

I can't see any realm of possibility where Poison is anything but town from what I spent thinking and posting about it so doubting Poison is a no go since I think don't think their flip flopping has anything to do with alignment and more to do with how they play.

[Arcthurus]

I have a tinfoil they're witch actually.
They did fumble with their claim and they did say they choose met which I just don't see how it works from an escort PoV but do see if you can't actually control "your" blocks and want to make any future blocks to look like you're not in control of them. I think it's possible once you assume there was never an Escort to begin with and schultz controlled that person to arckas, and once you think about what I implied about how there seems to be too many abilities floating around for scum if a redirector is thrown into the pile.

[Arcthurus]

Of course while that would settle rick's results I don't know yet what that says about you and your failed shot claim.

[RockFire]

I mean, I know I was blocked for real and not with a prank and that made sense since Poison was suspicious of me for the oddest reason. Blocking Nhero made sense too since they were someone everyone had on their lynch pile. You're saying they'd have to all be Mafia pranks then which isn't the case given what I know so Poison has to be town, however misguided their actions are.

[Arcthurus]

Of course while that would settle rick's results I don't know yet what that says about you and your failed shot claim.

I don't know for sure the mafia comp obviously so i can't be 100% sure. But this would mean that unless the MH has some replicating abilities of some kind or is a joat or something you couldn't be roleblocked N2...

Uh-oh.
Gotcha..?! Not really.

I'm confused why you'd lie about this as mafia even if you did have a JOAT though. A JOAT with one roleblock (or prank?), one frame (for rick's check), one marionete for a single phase (day only), and one passive immunity OR activable immunity.
Of course it could always be a gambit from you I guess. You're fond of those.

[Arcthurus]

I mean, I know I was blocked for real and not with a prank and that made sense since Poison was suspicious of me for the oddest reason. Blocking Nhero made sense too since they were someone everyone had on their lynch pile. You're saying they'd have to all be Mafia pranks then which isn't the case given what I know so Poison has to be town, however misguided their actions are.

What? Pranks? I didn't say that. I said they're covering for the consort. Or being covered for, rather.

[Arcthurus]

Mutually covering for, in this case.

And sure thats a nice argument except if they're prone to block their scumreads why not block jerme...? That was the purpose of my question to them. They broke their own pattern. Where's their town thought process?

[Arcthurus]

Also I said the one frame for the JOAT because I keep thinking Witch is invest immune to the parity cop. Scratch that I guess?

[RockFire]

So then they'd have a Capo that's HM even thought we know MH has to be immune and we've had two RBs claimed D2 so there was no time for a retrain and we know TP and Arckas are/were town respectively. That's still too many abilities.

And assuming I'm a gambiting fool is literally how ASGII's mess happened. I did it once as Stalker and I don't think I've ever done it again. Also thinking about me being Mafia would mean I've been bussing this whole game since I pushed Lex D2 and was part of the get him lynched group and I had mela on my small list of lynches D3 before the Rick fiasco.

And I can't explain the whole block on Met thing but if they're Mafia like you assume then the redirect was the other Mafia which would mean two mafia actions with no kills.

[Arcthurus]

Redirect??? There's no redirect you fool, that's the point. :p
"Hey my block went to naru but I TOTALLY MEANT to block this other guy. I guess if the blocks happen on townies you cant blame me its not my fault xoxo" when really its because they're witch covering for consort.
Or mafia head! I don't know why I didn't just say that, it's actually simpler that way. I guess I liked the witch theory more because I thought it'd be pretty clever.

What Capo?

[RockFire]

Arc, you dingus, Lex flipped Consort so what that means is that a Capo had to retrain a Mafia to become a Consort or a Mafioso used a one shot block and we know the latter can't be because there have been 4 blocks. Also, in that scenario wouldn't the smart to say have been that they'd tried to block Jerme and it went to Naru? Mafia had an entire 48 hours to think this over and realize saying the block to a heavily townread person would be dumb.

That would still mean the sinister presence would be a Mafia and if there's no redirect then it's obviously doing something we don't know which still means it's an action and an extra consort would mean no kill is happening which is counterproductive to the entire thing the Mafia is supposed to do. You know, night kill people.

[Arcthurus]

I don't see the need of a capo? I'm saying there's always been two consorts from the get go, you bufoon.

And in no scenario, but in what scenario is it smart for an escort to not block a scumread either?

Yeah idk the presence thing. Which is why I suggested claims before. In the offchance its town.

[RockFire]

So you're assuming Poison would be a 2nd Consort but then, why would they block Nhero and Arckas? Honestly falling back on an Escort claim is wonky when they could use it to mess up town instead of having to be stuck as doing townish blocks.

Like, why not block Rick if you think he's town and claim that you don't know why it went to him? Whether Rick or I is lying, it'd be the smart thing to do.

[Arcthurus]

To clarify, I changed my mind from yesterday and I'm thinking N3 Nhero was blocked by the second consort and mafia crosskilled on Obi (and removed the DN -- street smarts).

As for last night naru was blocked obviously, if Poison is mafia then witch was hit. If poison is witch though (or even just town really...) then they couldn't possibly have been hit though.

[Arcthurus]

"The even just town really" was a bit I added to say I don't know where the kill went in either case but theoretically the witch couldve been hit if not poison.

[Arcthurus]

So you're assuming Poison would be a 2nd Consort but then, why would they block Nhero and Arckas? Honestly falling back on an Escort claim is wonky when they could use it to mess up town instead of having to be stuck as doing townish blocks.

Like, why not block Rick if you think he's town and claim that you don't know why it went to him? Whether Rick or I is lying, it'd be the smart thing to do.

Arckas was a N1 block and it doesn't really mean anything.
As for nhero well if Obi was crosskilled then I don't know, because mafia couldnt expect the vig kill on him too. I suppose it makes little sense as a block unless it were a deliberate frame attempt.

Well if they threw a frame on you, not really, because leaving rick alive would provide today's dome.

[RockFire]

Removing the DN after keeping it the same two kills in a row seems unlikely at best Arc because the Mafia had no way of knowing the Witch would control TP.

And assuming that also means my shot hit Mafia Rick because there's no way it got stopped because this dome wouldn't be happening if someone said they were on Rick and that they stopped me so he must be immune and it makes no sense for me to do this in any scenario where I'm scum. Assuming 2nd Consort is Poison and I would be head would mean I was already invest immune so framing is dumb because then no kill happens and you going on about invest immune witch would mean I had to be framed which also means no kill.


Rick claims Mela and Poison were different so unless somehow one Consort is invest immune while the other wasn't, that doesn't make sense either.

[Arcthurus]

You fool. You utter coward. You magnanimous person you. Idk. Colorful joke insults.

I'm confused why you're saying "i would be head" when I literally suggested you were FRAMED. By MAFIA. As TOWN. And that Poison is MAFIA HEAD. And that the other mafia IS CONSORT ALL ALONG.

The DN removal would be because they realized it was pointless? Maybe

[RockFire]

Ah, I thought you were saying Poison was Consort this entire time. In this scenario you propose, I would be framed and Rick would be town and my bullet not being in Rick's dead body doesn't make sense. Also claiming Escort when Poison did as scum kind of makes no sense when it wasn't warranted in any way since it would make us back off from a lynch if it came out of someone and nobody CCed it.

DN thing is still a stretch.

[Arcthurus]

Do you think Rick, as town, would've checked anyone other than you last night?

With that in mind is not killing for a night for the sake of a frame such a bad idea?

[Arcthurus]

Ah, I thought you were saying Poison was Consort this entire time. In this scenario you propose, I would be framed and Rick would be town and my bullet not being in Rick's dead body doesn't make sense. Also claiming Escort when Poison did as scum kind of makes no sense when it wasn't warranted in any way since it would make us back off from a lynch if it came out of someone and nobody CCed it.

DN thing is still a stretch.

I don't get the poison thing. After nhero they were the person highest in the consensus scumlist iirc. Even had like three or four votes on them, something like that. The CC point I don't understand what you mean. It did make the wagon completely die.

Yeah I know. Maybe the witch *was* hit n3. I don't know anymore at this point.

[RockFire]

When Mafia is so far behind then yes. Not killing is hardly the optimal play and you're assuming the MH would be able to frame and be a JOAT and be invest and/or night immune the entire game since Poison would have no way of knowing the Rick check would happen on them.

Also, my shot being poofed is still not explained good sir and I remain in the firm camp of Rick being evil.

And Arc, we already knew that day we were lynching Nhero so claiming like that would be unnecessary. I don't remember a Poison wagon at all yesterday though so why claim Escort at all given they were clearly not getting lynched that day?