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Postby BasicFourLife » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 am

Thank you everyone who supported the Jailor nerf. It has been offically added to the TG. I have deleted the rest of what is in this thread, due it not having a point anymore. Please check out #Flake's Ranked Balance in my signature for a new set of balance changes on the whole game.

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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby MafiaMenace » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:49 pm

Jailor needs no changes, I see no one just barreling through a game because of jailor, unless the maf plays bad.
Only sort of agree on the part where Jailor is changed to TPow, Mayor doesn't need whispers because of the whisper me your role thing.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Shilster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:18 pm

Mafia always wins against Jailor with no executions.

Mayor one is just broken, no
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:24 pm

MafiaMenace wrote:Jailor needs no changes, I see no one just barreling through a game because of jailor, unless the maf plays bad.
Only sort of agree on the part where Jailor is changed to TPow, Mayor doesn't need whispers because of the whisper me your role thing.

Every confirnee role can be whispered to Ret, Revived target, revealed Jailor, TI that foubd evil, Trans, Amne remembreing Town, so why does the Mayor deserve to lose the whisps
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:26 pm

Shilster wrote:Mafia always wins against Jailor with no executions.

Mayor one is just broken, no

The Mayor is to balance the Town Power, or else he wouldn't be strong enough.
If Jailor dies n1 wo a Ret Town still usually wins.
People saying that Jailor doesn't need like a nerf are crazy
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby MafiaMenace » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:27 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:Jailor needs no changes, I see no one just barreling through a game because of jailor, unless the maf plays bad.
Only sort of agree on the part where Jailor is changed to TPow, Mayor doesn't need whispers because of the whisper me your role thing.

Every confirnee role can be whispered to Ret, Revived target, revealed Jailor, TI that foubd evil, Trans, Amne remembreing Town, so why does the Mayor deserve to lose the whisps


If you haven't noticed, mayor has a heavy fucking influence over the voting, if the town is split by a 4-2 vote, mayor can change that to 4-5, that's why.

BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Mafia always wins against Jailor with no executions.

Mayor one is just broken, no

The Mayor is to balance the Town Power, or else he wouldn't be strong enough.
If Jailor dies n1 wo a Ret Town still usually wins.
People saying that Jailor doesn't need like a nerf are crazy


People who believe Jailor needs a buff are just insane.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Shilster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:32 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Mafia always wins against Jailor with no executions.

Mayor one is just broken, no

The Mayor is to balance the Town Power, or else he wouldn't be strong enough.
If Jailor dies n1 wo a Ret Town still usually wins.
People saying that Jailor doesn't need like a nerf are crazy


Usually.

Town could roll 4 Escorts or Ret, Mayor, Trans, and Med. It honestly depends, not "usually".
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:34 pm

Spoiler:
MafiaMenace wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:Jailor needs no changes, I see no one just barreling through a game because of jailor, unless the maf plays bad.
Only sort of agree on the part where Jailor is changed to TPow, Mayor doesn't need whispers because of the whisper me your role thing.

Every confirnee role can be whispered to Ret, Revived target, revealed Jailor, TI that foubd evil, Trans, Amne remembreing Town, so why does the Mayor deserve to lose the whisps


If you haven't noticed, mayor has a heavy fucking influence over the voting, if the town is split by a 4-2 vote, mayor can change that to 4-5, that's why.

BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Mafia always wins against Jailor with no executions.

Mayor one is just broken, no

The Mayor is to balance the Town Power, or else he wouldn't be strong enough.
If Jailor dies n1 wo a Ret Town still usually wins.
People saying that Jailor doesn't need like a nerf are crazy

People who believe Jailor needs a buff are just insane.

But the Mayor buff and Jailor nerf balances the Town Power.
Since Jailor is currently very strong and stallable.
So you agree w the Jailor one?
Why didn't u just vote the 2nd option there then.
Retri will still be much stronger than Mayor, but now Mayor has more control.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby MafiaMenace » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:44 pm

No I didn't, I completely disagree with the jailor idea, except maybe changing jailor to TPow, and that's a sort-of agree type of shit.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Shilster » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:21 am

Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:05 am

Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Shilster » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:19 am

BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?

I don't see it
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:23 am

Shilster wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?

I don't see it

I guess I forgot to mention that.
Thanks for pointing it out, I've already added it. It's in the 4th line.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Barfer789 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:16 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?


But then it would be impossible for there to be a Mayor in ranked games, as Jailor is a guaranteed role in ranked, as well as other gamemodes.

I'm fine with the Jailor nerf, but the Mayor buff is too op. Mayor used to be able to send/receive whispers, but it was changed due to balance reasons. We can't break the balance, can we?

Idk about the healing though.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby MafiaMenace » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:20 pm

Barfer in his rolelist jailor isn't absolutely confirmed, basically you could have either: Jailor, Mayor, Ret, and I think vet/psy qualifies as TPow (just my opinion).
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Barfer789 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:26 pm

MafiaMenace wrote:Barfer in his rolelist jailor isn't absolutely confirmed, basically you could have either: Jailor, Mayor, Ret, and I think vet/psy qualifies as TPow (just my opinion).


BasicFourLife wrote:Currently Jailor and Retributionist are extremely strong roles in Ranked, while Mayor falls behind them a little bit.
I suggest replacing Jailor in Ranked with Town Power which contains the Jailor, the Mayor and the Retributionist.
To implement this change, you would need to balance these roles around each other first.
It is also impossible for the Town Power roles to appear as Random Town or Any.


Rip I didn't see this I'm an idiot

I agree with this ranked change. However, I feel that one TPow (Excluding Mayor/Jailor, whichever one there already is) should be able to roll from an any slot. I agree with everything else though, and that RT should not roll TPow.

Still disagree with the Mayor buffs though, but it should be TPow.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Barfer789 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?


But then it would be impossible for there to be a Mayor in ranked games, as Jailor is a guaranteed role in ranked, as well as other gamemodes.

I'm fine with the Jailor nerf, but the Mayor buff is too op. Mayor used to be able to send/receive whispers, but it was changed due to balance reasons. We can't break the balance, can we?

Idk about the healing though.

Did you even read the first part.
I suggested removing Jailor and replacing them w TPower.
Obviously that means that ret and mayor would be removed as TS and RT.
Jailor, mayor and ret need to be as strong as these other 2 roles.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:27 am

/support
And now my reasons why.

The Jailor change is really needed right now, the Jailor currently is a powerful existence. And shouldn't be able to keep jailing the same person over and over again already.
This would stop 2 v 2 draws, and would give mafia a much needed buff.

The Mayor change is also supported by me. Although the whisper game was a problem a while back, it is still a problem today. Except it isn't the Mayor that is whispered too. Any confirmed town will get whispered roles easily, in order to combat this the Mafia just need to organize their claims during N1, which should always be the case in Ranked games(Never gonna happen). Also having a role that can't be healed by Doctor is BS. Doctor's only job is to keep people alive.

The Town Power change balances out the Ranked list MAJORLY. It would make it easier for evils, and make it a lot more balanced.

The Random Town slot shouldn't draw a Town Power. However a All Any slot should, but only 1. Cause I still want to be able to play as Jailor/Mayor/Retributionist in All Any.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:46 am

TrueGuardian32 wrote: Spoiler: /support
And now my reasons why.

The Jailor change is really needed right now, the Jailor currently is a powerful existence. And shouldn't be able to keep jailing the same person over and over again already.
This would stop 2 v 2 draws, and would give mafia a much needed buff.

The Mayor change is also supported by me. Although the whisper game was a problem a while back, it is still a problem today. Except it isn't the Mayor that is whispered too. Any confirmed town will get whispered roles easily, in order to combat this the Mafia just need to organize their claims during N1, which should always be the case in Ranked games(Never gonna happen). Also having a role that can't be healed by Doctor is BS. Doctor's only job is to keep people alive.

The Town Power change balances out the Ranked list MAJORLY. It would make it easier for evils, and make it a lot more balanced.

The Random Town slot shouldn't draw a Town Power. However a All Any slot should, but only 1. Cause I still want to be able to play as Jailor/Mayor/Retributionist in All Any.

Thanks for the long answer and could you vote your opinion on the poll.
Since I want that everyone gives me their opinions.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby polypies73 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:00 am

If you’re going to make jailor,mayor,ret TPower, then yes, mayor does need a buff.

I think jailor nerf is ok.
I think the healing is fine, but no whispers for mayor should still be implemented.

The problem i have wiht this is taht there will only be 3 TS, and i don’t think TS should raelly leave the role list.

Pretty good idea though.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:33 am

polypies73 wrote:If you’re going to make jailor,mayor,ret TPower, then yes, mayor does need a buff.

I think jailor nerf is ok.
I think the healing is fine, but no whispers for mayor should still be implemented.

The problem i have wiht this is taht there will only be 3 TS, and i don’t think TS should raelly leave the role list.

Pretty good idea though.

Well, trans needs a rework also but that's another topic.
The only balanced TS roles are Medium and Escort.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby Barfer789 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:09 am

BasicFourLife wrote:
Barfer789 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?


But then it would be impossible for there to be a Mayor in ranked games, as Jailor is a guaranteed role in ranked, as well as other gamemodes.

I'm fine with the Jailor nerf, but the Mayor buff is too op. Mayor used to be able to send/receive whispers, but it was changed due to balance reasons. We can't break the balance, can we?

Idk about the healing though.

Did you even read the first part.
I suggested removing Jailor and replacing them w TPower.
Obviously that means that ret and mayor would be removed as TS and RT.
Jailor, mayor and ret need to be as strong as these other 2 roles.


Did you see my other post?

Barfer789 wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:Barfer in his rolelist jailor isn't absolutely confirmed, basically you could have either: Jailor, Mayor, Ret, and I think vet/psy qualifies as TPow (just my opinion).


BasicFourLife wrote:Currently Jailor and Retributionist are extremely strong roles in Ranked, while Mayor falls behind them a little bit.
I suggest replacing Jailor in Ranked with Town Power which contains the Jailor, the Mayor and the Retributionist.
To implement this change, you would need to balance these roles around each other first.
It is also impossible for the Town Power roles to appear as Random Town or Any.


Rip I didn't see this I'm an idiot

I agree with this ranked change. However, I feel that one TPow (Excluding Mayor/Jailor, whichever one there already is) should be able to roll from an any slot. I agree with everything else though, and that RT should not roll TPow.

Still disagree with the Mayor buffs though, but it should be TPow.


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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:26 am

Put it in spoilers, since it's too big.

Spoiler:
Barfer789 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Barfer789 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
Shilster wrote:Jailor is fine.

Mayor reveals d1
Mayor: Jailor jails me tonight
Jailor jails Mayor
Everyone whispers roles d2

yes this is fun

My change is making that it would be impossible for Mayor and Jailor to be in the same game.
Did I mention that?


But then it would be impossible for there to be a Mayor in ranked games, as Jailor is a guaranteed role in ranked, as well as other gamemodes.

I'm fine with the Jailor nerf, but the Mayor buff is too op. Mayor used to be able to send/receive whispers, but it was changed due to balance reasons. We can't break the balance, can we?

Idk about the healing though.

Did you even read the first part.
I suggested removing Jailor and replacing them w TPower.
Obviously that means that ret and mayor would be removed as TS and RT.
Jailor, mayor and ret need to be as strong as these other 2 roles.
Did you see my other post?

Barfer789 wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:Barfer in his rolelist jailor isn't absolutely confirmed, basically you could have either: Jailor, Mayor, Ret, and I think vet/psy qualifies as TPow (just my opinion).


BasicFourLife wrote:Currently Jailor and Retributionist are extremely strong roles in Ranked, while Mayor falls behind them a little bit.
I suggest replacing Jailor in Ranked with Town Power which contains the Jailor, the Mayor and the Retributionist.
To implement this change, you would need to balance these roles around each other first.
It is also impossible for the Town Power roles to appear as Random Town or Any.


Rip I didn't see this I'm an idiot

I agree with this ranked change. However, I feel that one TPow (Excluding Mayor/Jailor, whichever one there already is) should be able to roll from an any slot. I agree with everything else though, and that RT should not roll TPow.

Still disagree with the Mayor buffs though, but it should be TPow.


^Re-hashing this so you can see it and possibly reply to it.


Sorry, didn't see your edit.
Why do you disagree with the Mayor buffs?
Jailor, Mayor and Ret should be as strong as the other roles.
Mayor is currently the weakest TPower, so it would need a buff.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby MafiaMenace » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:04 pm

No mayor is incredibly fucking strong Basic, the amount of times I've had a clutch game with a mayor present is astronomically large.
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Re: Town Power with Jailor nerfs and Mayor buffs

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:25 pm

MafiaMenace wrote:No mayor is incredibly fucking strong Basic, the amount of times I've had a clutch game with a mayor present is astronomically large.

Okay, tell me.
1) Which role is the weakest Town Power and which is the strongest Town Power?
2) I am saying that mayor and ret need to be removed from TS and changed to TPower which should replace the Jailor.
Do you not think that Jailor is even more clutch? You can just jail and evil and execute them, instead of relying on your votes + jailor can be still healed and whisper. How is that fair?
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