Episode XI | Rerolled (TrueGent wins!)

[SamuelJackson1972]

Samuel, I read every single one of your posts and none of them came logically from what I was originally asking. Am I severely misunderstanding you or something?

ok let me take this point by point

Spoiler:

Please, you've been picking apart just about everything said to or about melanora.

1. Because it was the biggest thing going on at that moment.

2. That has no relevancy to what I said whatsoever.

I already specified why I said what I said.

Okay, you did. My point is that it is an unacceptable answer. This is what you said in response to my question, that it a part of your reaction test. What the hell? You voted Mel, pretended like you were actually scumreading her, in order to bait me into answering something? That doesn't make any sense to me.

REALLY now?

Yes, really. I asked you who you said were scummier than mel. Again, this post was your answer to it. Nowhere did you give me names. The post you quoted was to ladd, and you provided those two to look at IF mel flips town, and even said there weren't any better lynches despite saying earlier you there were people going under the radar that were scummier than she was.

Yes, because I'd totally do alignment suicide for absolutely no reason as scum in an episode.
Had you actually bothered to read my posts instead of ignoring them you would know the answer to the questions you stated.

I don't understand this. Are you admitting that you're scummy?

I read all your posts. You've been acting evasive, your 'answers' did not make sense or didn't even exist.

Also I want to get this out of the way, just because somebody disproves some of your points doesn't mean that the whole damn thing is wrong, you genius. /sarcasm

I don't know what this is referring to.

If it wasn't for the claims I'd vote you in a heartbeat.

Your reason for scumreading me is that I was behind melanora's lynch. Read my post to LoF and try again.

Your read on Hark is extremely vague and seems to be a dislike of his playstyle more than anything AI. Have you never seen townies be hyperagressive before?

If he were mafia trying to protect this slot, why would he say I self visited. It would be easier to just say nobody visited.
In addition, at the time of his claim, I hadn't replaced in yet. Are you suggesting he decided to do this for an empty slot?

I disagree with LoF's theory. I think alex just wanted towncred. If you aren't gf he may very well be an agent/blackmailer that bugged/tracked you last night.

And, if you two are both mafia, yes. I believe he would. An empty mafia slot is still a mafia slot.

Am I severely misunderstanding you or something?

Either that or you're purposefully being ignorant.
I'm not even going to bother replying, because you obviously don't understand me.

Hai. Still don't have much time today, sorry, I will try to be here in the evening. Alex claiming was unnecessary and makes no sense, since I am technically confirmed scum to him, so I have no idea why he is voting Kirize, but I am not sure I am in a position to talk about claims. Anyway, my plan was to simply soft a generic TI( or Vigilante like I did later on ) and bait Witch/Consort/Kills on me tonight while getting Kirize lynched, fairly reasonable I think, but when people wanted me to claim and then the Forgotten stuff really got me frustrated so I claimed Vig both to avoid possible CCs and on an impulse and I kinda fucked up, if Kirize's slot is Town this is definitely my bad, no excuses.

Anyway, I am Veteran, if someone else wants to claim it, do it now.

If someone is Vigilante, shoot me tonight, but I really doubt it anyway.

With this out of the way, I still think Kirize's slot was scummy as fuck and the fact that he went from ignoring two pages of discussion on him to call my case bad and "wolfy" to saying he wanted to lynch me to say he did not understand what the case even was in the first place and asked me to explain it again was just disgustingly scummy.

Now, if Alex is LO, there is almost no way Kirize self fused, it's just a bad move as Bomber in this role list. Like, I would not put it beyond Kirize, but I do feel like it's pretty unlikely. Alternatively, Alex can be some kind of Mafia who knows Kirize slot is Bomber and just wanted to get some town credit. I mean, his logic does not make any sense, but my guts tell me he is Town.

This was my requiem to you James, hope you liked it <3

You fakeclaim as a vigilante, you almost lynched our BG and you ended up revealing three fucking PRs.
/vote Samuel
KILL ME.

[Mroz4k]

Samuel stop being a bitch that self votes for the memes. Doesn't fit you.

I don't think Samuel is a good lynch. I would rather lynch within forgotten or zero. I really don't see how ppl can townread forgotten, and zero has been generally useless, role fishing for Cits, sheeping a misslynch against his own opinion, and asked to quickhammer a person mid day because conversation stopped.

Thukko was more townish but I remember some things pinged me about him too.

[SamuelJackson1972]

Samuel stop being a bitch that self votes for the memes. Doesn't fit you.

I don't think Samuel is a good lynch. I would rather lynch within forgotten or zero. I really don't see how ppl can townread forgotten, and zero has been generally useless, role fishing for Cits, sheeping a misslynch against his own opinion, and asked to quickhammer a person mid day because conversation stopped.

Thukko was more townish but I remember some things pinged me about him too.

/unvote
I'm just at a loss for words right now, this might have cost us the game.
And the worst thing is, they're probably all town.
....
Oh shit we're running out of time. Ugh.
/vote forgot
I have nothing else to go on, sorry.

[Mroz4k]

Running out of time is not a reason to sheep, Samuel. Provide reasons for your vote.

[Mroz4k]

If I'm not mistaken we still have a day and 6 hours left. That's plenty of time.

And also half the game is about to be prodded, my guess.

We might even get some extra time cause of all the inactives.

[TheForgot3n1]

Derp.

Nevertheless, I think mroz4k tone is fake as hell and has been so for quite some time.

Samuel's response to alouvre also seems scummy, as well as his awkward pushes on me. So it is samuel or mroz4k to me atm. Don't like mroz.

/vote Mroz4k

Okay town block is
Theforgot3n1, alouvre.
alouvre could be neutral but gotta start somewhere.
Rest of you need to step up. LoF's tone is similar to mroz4k, but way better content. You are close to joining Persian, please contribute a bit more.

[TheForgot3n1]

You haven't even implied a case on me? Your scumhunting is either terrible or scum, mroz. Also how is zero equivalent to me? Damn being on mobile.

Aren't you in the same page saying ladd could easily be consort, yet you don't even include him in your pool?

And samuel come on. I know you are being voted, but this is not how you defend yourself as townie.

[SamuelJackson1972]

Running out of time is not a reason to sheep, Samuel. Provide reasons for your vote.

I'm not sheeping, I've been scumreading them since forever.
1 - Flip flooping with votes
2- Pushing lexiam with absurd reasoning
3- Voting melanora despite not being able to read them.
4- This coupled with 2 and 3:

ryanb - townread
persian - gut townlean
kirize - gut townlean
maxwell - nullscum
samuel - nullscum
ladd - nullscum (feels like that NFM 24 or w/e I remember him replacing in and being like this, and he was scum)
alouvre - nullscum (due to hark mostly)
maxwell - nullscum
Lordoffail - nullscum
James2 - gut scumlean
Misa - nullscum due to so little effort
Jammy - gut scum
mela - can't read tbh
yau - no idea tbh
Lexiam - null
npromin1 - null
ChamAlien - null
thukko - null

Bask in the amount of null reads. And yeah more scumreads because I cannot for the life of me imagine playing like these players as town, so it makes them all seem scum to me.

I'll put effort into it if I survive, but the reason the above reads list is so shit is due to severe inactivity from 75% of players so there's very little to do.

You haven't even implied a case on me? Your scumhunting is either terrible or scum, mroz. Also how is zero equivalent to me? Damn being on mobile.

Aren't you in the same page saying ladd could easily be consort, yet you don't even include him in your pool?

And samuel come on. I know you are being voted, but this is not how you defend yourself as townie.

Maybe if people like Alourve would actually try to understand what I'm saying, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

[TheForgot3n1]

I pushed Lexiam only after he claimed witched. I didn't care any more after that, didn't even read his ISO. also note that I made a gut scum lean on James2. I would have just put null on him as well I think if I was mafia.

When it comes to Mel. The honest truth is that she never struck me as scum. I only voted her because I was annoyed with the game. And I personally hate when there is a difficulty getting enough votes, so I figured I would throw my vote in quickly, so as to not disturb and also accelerate the game ("cuz why not"). I would have supported any lynch. Which you can see that I did with my vote being everywhere. Except some townreads at the time.

The lexiam thing makes sense. I thought they were based on reads. Though 50% of scum are neutrals btw, and possible buss.

Me voting Mel is kind of NAI tho? How is it related to james2 other than timing? Other than vote timings with james2, which you can say about persian too, I don't see a strong case. Also mafia voting simultaneoisly, I dunno is that really a mafia tactic. Eh.

Also I want to add that my day1 and day2 is, from my perspective, sad. Or not really sad because I didn't do anything right, but because I was frustrated from the retarded amount of inactiveness/replacement. It wasn't sad because I tried and failed, but because I never tried from the start, which to be entirely honest with you guys, I don't think I did anything wrong to. Yes, I was part of the cancer that way, but there has to be SOME standard as to how inactive the town can be, I don't give a crap about scum, but townies? Come on.

So I understand suspicion/arguments based on day1 and day2, and I will answer them if you have any you care to push, but I'm sincere in saying it isn't representative of how I usually play. Check my VFM game or NFM 28/24. I feel that there is enough material and enthusiasm this day that I will be more active, though.

My hypoclaim btw

N2 lookout - checked Samuel (visited by LoF)
N2 invest - checked LoF cit/gf
N2 Sheriff - checked alouvre Not suspicious
N2 Escort - roleblocked Lexiam
N2 Marshal - protected kirize

Samuel I responded to all of that already. Read my ISO for goodness sake. But yeah, making a lot of null reads is definitely AI in most of the cases... wait a sec...

Sam, your reads too.

Almost half of them will be null reads, you've been warned.
I'll post them in a minute.

Almost half! Confirmed scum. What is your explanation for being afk day2? I already said mine on that.

PS: making a read list without null just because you were told to, means nothing.

[alex1234321]

N1- Nobody visited Misa/Ladd
N2- Ladd and Kirize visited Kirize

[npromin1]

N1- Nobody visited Misa/Ladd
N2- Ladd and Kirize visited Kirize

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So you're saying Ladd's not vet?

[TheForgot3n1]

[quote=SamuelJackson1972]
I think Melanora is at most neutral scum, and even then I doubt that.[/quote]
[quote=SamuelJackson1972]Voting melanora despite not being able to read them.[/quote]

You voted Mel having a townlean on her, yet push me for having a null read. So... many... contradictions...

Did ladd alert n1?

[TheForgot3n1]

I think Melanora is at most neutral scum, and even then I doubt that.

Voting melanora despite not being able to read them.

You voted Mel having a townlean on her, yet push me for having a null read. So... many... contradictions...

Did ladd alert n1?

last time that happens.

[alex1234321]

N1- Nobody visited Misa/Ladd
N2- Ladd and Kirize visited Kirize

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So you're saying Ladd's not vet?

Yes

[SamuelJackson1972]

I think Melanora is at most neutral scum, and even then I doubt that.

Voting melanora despite not being able to read them.

You voted Mel having a townlean on her, yet push me for having a null read. So... many... contradictions...

Did ladd alert n1?

last time that happens.

Have you seen the damn time left from my vote to the day end?
That vote was literally on the deadline date.
Also,
Spoiler:

I pushed Lexiam only after he claimed witched. I didn't care any more after that, didn't even read his ISO. also note that I made a gut scum lean on James2. I would have just put null on him as well I think if I was mafia.
that holds absolutely no water
When it comes to Mel. The honest truth is that she never struck me as scum. I only voted her because I was annoyed with the game. And I personally hate when there is a difficulty getting enough votes, so I figured I would throw my vote in quickly, so as to not disturb and also accelerate the game ("cuz why not"). I would have supported any lynch. Which you can see that I did with my vote being everywhere. Except some townreads at the time.How is this Town indicative? The same could easily be applied to scum

The lexiam thing makes sense. I thought they were based on reads. Though 50% of scum are neutrals btw, and possible buss.

Me voting Mel is kind of NAI tho? How is it related to james2 other than timing? Other than vote timings with james2, which you can say about persian too, I don't see a strong case. Also mafia voting simultaneoisly, I dunno is that really a mafia tactic. Eh.
Still doesn't disprove my point.

Also I want to add that my day1 and day2 is, from my perspective, sad. Or not really sad because I didn't do anything right, but because I was frustrated from the retarded amount of inactiveness/replacement. It wasn't sad because I tried and failed, but because I never tried from the start, which to be entirely honest with you guys, I don't think I did anything wrong to. Yes, I was part of the cancer that way, but there has to be SOME standard as to how inactive the town can be, I don't give a crap about scum, but townies? Come on.
NAI
So I understand suspicion/arguments based on day1 and day2, and I will answer them if you have any you care to push, but I'm sincere in saying it isn't representative of how I usually play. Check my VFM game or NFM 28/24. I feel that there is enough material and enthusiasm this day that I will be more active, though.

My hypoclaim btw

N2 lookout - checked Samuel (visited by LoF)
N2 invest - checked LoF cit/gf
N2 Sheriff - checked alouvre Not suspicious
N2 Escort - roleblocked Lexiam
N2 Marshal - protected kirize

Samuel I responded to all of that already. Read my ISO for goodness sake. But yeah, making a lot of null reads is definitely AI in most of the cases... wait a sec...

Sam, your reads too.

Almost half of them will be null reads, you've been warned.
I'll post them in a minute.

Almost half! Confirmed scum. What is your explanation for being afk day2? I already said mine on that.
bruh, four of my left fingers are broken, including my thumb
PS: making a read list without null just because you were told to, means nothing.they're null for reason, and nothing that's written on my rolecard changed that. Hell, I still had 2 null reads even after I tried aligning them.

N1- Nobody visited Misa/Ladd
N2- Ladd and Kirize visited Kirize

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So you're saying Ladd's not vet?

Yes

Wait what?
Ah shit, /unvote

[Varanus]

/vote alex

You're a disgrace to scum everywhere.

[Varanus]

I'm Lookout and I saw Kirize self visit last night. I suspect he is Bomber and he placed a fuse on himself.

N1- Nobody visited Misa/Ladd
N2- Ladd and Kirize visited Kirize

> Claims to think I'm bomber
> Also claims I self visited while being shot by vig

This boggles the mind
Lookout!alex would know ladd didn't shoot me
Blackmailer!alex would know that I wasn't visited by a vigilante
Agent!alex would know I slept peacefully


The level of incompetence with this claim is just saddening

[npromin1]

what if he isn't any of the above?

[Varanus]

He wouldn't have known I self visited

[Varanus]

Heck, he wouldn't even have known I self visited in the blackmailer bit either.

[TheForgot3n1]

The below is in response to Samuel. When it comes to Alex claim, it's looking really weak. His behavior around it is also scummy, why would you just throw a claim like that on the table without any forethought at all.

Alright since you completely disregard my explanation on why Day1/2 has been completely different to day3 for me, and anyone would notice that it is logical and explained throughout (sure, a scum could make all of it up but it's not so damn easy to make up things in advance). Alright, disregarding that we can go directly onto

I'm not sheeping, I've been scumreading them since forever.
1 - Flip flooping with votes
2- Pushing lexiam with absurd reasoning
3- Voting melanora despite not being able to read them.
4- This coupled with 2 and 3:

How is any of this AI?
1. Flip flopping on votes is not something I've ever seen mafia do. Not on NFM, not on 10E, not on VFM.
2. My push on Lexiam was based on the witch claim. In 90% of cases, a townie claiming witched does nothing good for town. Nothing. It gives minor explanations to Lookouts, helps (a tiny, tiny bit) pinpoint the witch (by excluding the target that was witched, and maybe reasons for picking them), then what? Nothing more. I discussed this with Ryanyb and he agreed with my case being strong. So, therefore, it is NOT absurd reasoning to say that Lexiam claiming witched is somewhat suspicious. (The problem with my reasoning was of course that Lexiam might not have been aware of this, or have the balls to withhold information [which is why I didn't push further]) He said barely anything day2, and is thus null to me.
3. Do you really think this is AI? First off, you did the same thing but worse (this wasn't at deadline time, it was earlier), without explanation. I did this meanwhile writing "FeelsGoodMan". Yeah sure, Mafia can do that. But Mafia can also easily write "Hmm, yeah Ryanyb's case on Mel is pretty good, this [...] is also why mel is scum... /vote Mel" which I would say is about 100% more likely to happen from a scum point of view than what I did.
4. I don't see how that is AI. If you want explanation to my votes on lexiam/mel, I've already quoted that.

If your whole case is based on 1-4 it's too weak compared to many other players, and not seeing anyone else reeks of scum-tunneling to me, because there is a lot of material to go on now.

[TheForgot3n1]

I saw you unvoted, just don't want stuff lingering in the background.

/vote alex

Wait a second, how is Alex scum because of his incompetence? I don't know his meta that well.

[Varanus]

Him being incompetent is unrelated to him being scum.
His claim is why he's scum.

[TheForgot3n1]

He correctly anticipated you self-visiting night 2.
Got no result night 1.

I don't see the instant incrimination.

His incompetence is thinking the vigilante visiting you wouldn't show, or forgot it entirely or something.

[Varanus]

Because he also says ladd visited me, when ladd has retracted his vig claim and is now claiming vet?