Episode XI | Rerolled (TrueGent wins!)

[Varanus]

No clue. Fake claim was bad for any alignment, and I haven't looked over the rest of the game to build an opinion from anything else yet.

[ladd]

Hai. Still don't have much time today, sorry, I will try to be here in the evening. Alex claiming was unnecessary and makes no sense, since I am technically confirmed scum to him, so I have no idea why he is voting Kirize, but I am not sure I am in a position to talk about claims. Anyway, my plan was to simply soft a generic TI( or Vigilante like I did later on ) and bait Witch/Consort/Kills on me tonight while getting Kirize lynched, fairly reasonable I think, but when people wanted me to claim and then the Forgotten stuff really got me frustrated so I claimed Vig both to avoid possible CCs and on an impulse and I kinda fucked up, if Kirize's slot is Town this is definitely my bad, no excuses.

Anyway, I am Veteran, if someone else wants to claim it, do it now.

If someone is Vigilante, shoot me tonight, but I really doubt it anyway.

With this out of the way, I still think Kirize's slot was scummy as fuck and the fact that he went from ignoring two pages of discussion on him to call my case bad and "wolfy" to saying he wanted to lynch me to say he did not understand what the case even was in the first place and asked me to explain it again was just disgustingly scummy.

Now, if Alex is LO, there is almost no way Kirize self fused, it's just a bad move as Bomber in this role list. Like, I would not put it beyond Kirize, but I do feel like it's pretty unlikely. Alternatively, Alex can be some kind of Mafia who knows Kirize slot is Bomber and just wanted to get some town credit. I mean, his logic does not make any sense, but my guts tell me he is Town.

This was my requiem to you James, hope you liked it <3

[ladd]

Anyway, there is no way scum can keep a LO and a BG alive, so lynching in {Varanus, Alex} is a bad idea, especially since my guts are telling me they are probably Town and I just had a shitty read on Kirize and fucked up. My role is easily confirmable and CCamble and if you really think I would be claiming an unique role who can confirm themselves D3 as scum, just lynch me.

Alex, claim your N1 and N2 results fully, N1 at least claim who you watched, if you feel like the information is not good in the open.

/vote Sam

I have a little concern with Milte slot flipping scum, so I would rather do this or Yau.

[ladd]

Actually.

/vote Yau

I don't want to wait ages for replacements and Yau could easillly be the SK.

[Mroz4k]

Fuck you, ladd. Fuck you.

No, I in fact do not believe you Vet claim anymore. If both of them are Town, you just fucked us.
If you are Vet, I want you to die to scum without alerting, since Witch is around, and will be sending townies into you.

Which brings up a fact - Ladd!Vet would be hunting for Witch already, but you are not. I need to go over your ISO again but I don't honk you were that interested in Witch. You only called Kirize a Witch because it fitted your Vig agenda.

[Mroz4k]

I seriously doubt Ladd is a Vet. If there is another Vet, consider whether it's worth to CC him over this.

[Mroz4k]

Finally, I noticed this.

If someone is Vigilante, shoot me tonight, but I really doubt it anyway.

This goes directly against what Ladd told us before, with True telling him that Vigs can flip in RT.
It's still possible that Vet and Vig can both be in the game. But this quote seems to assume TK is unique, or why else would Vig shoot at Vet?

[Mroz4k]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind lynching Ladd. His presence is a huge risk now. Either he alerts and at the very least kills a townie every night, this being PRs that got revealed because of his shitty fakeclaim, or he dies to scum cause he didn't alert, the best scenario being that he alerts in a moment killer tries to go for him.

He is most likely going to kill Townies due to a Witch. If he is Vet.

I'd policy lynch him just in case if he is Vet, also to prevent further James2 behavior, but mostly I would hang him cause he is liar. If he fakeclaimed Vig in the first place, I don't doubt he would fake Vet as well.

[ladd]

Finally, I noticed this.

If someone is Vigilante, shoot me tonight, but I really doubt it anyway.

This goes directly against what Ladd told us before, with True telling him that Vigs can flip in RT.
It's still possible that Vet and Vig can both be in the game. But this quote seems to assume TK is unique, or why else would Vig shoot at Vet?

One RT is probably Escort and the other has a decent chance to be Varanus, so this leaves only one slot in RT. I can't think of many people not shooting N2 as Vigilante anyway and most of them already softed they are not Vigilante.

WCS we confirm one RT slot, but I really doubt it.

I am just going to play WIFOM with my alerts, unless townies visit me of their own choice, chances I kill Town are pretty low.

So you did not have a problem with me not looking for the WItch as Vig, but now you do as vet? I honestly relatively care about hanging specifically the Witch today and I never called Kirize Witch.

As a I said, if Kirize's slot is Town, this is on me and you can blame me if we lose for all I care, but if you mislynch me, that's on you, since I am pretty obviously Town and an unCCed TK.

Later.

[ladd]

I'd policy lynch him just in case if he is Vet, also to prevent further James2 behavior, but mostly I would hang him cause he is liar. If he fakeclaimed Vig in the first place, I don't doubt he would fake Vet as well.

Hmmmmmm

I can think of at least two games where I fakeclaimed as Town to hang someone or faked a guilty, though the situation was fairly different. I also claimed Sheriff with a guilty D1 once as scum, but retracted it as a reaction test after about 10 pages. Probably the closest thing you would get to what I am doing now as scum would be my CFM13 play, just about 10 times dumber and riskier.

Anyway, my point is that not once in those games lying backfired on me and twice i was Town, if I am wrong this time as it looks to be the way rn, this is without a doubt on me, but lynching all liars is a retarded policy, people lie all the time as Town, even about their reads.

[ladd]

I have another forty minutes.

[alouvre]

fuck okay I might as well just go inactive like Ryan

Ladd it would've been better if you had waited for alex. I don't trust him and at the moment I am filled with extreme doubt about you too. You literally killed me dude, I'm going to be so disappointed if you're scum.

Having that said, your post does make sense. And you've actually seemed to go against the escort roleblock plan as well, which supports your claim.

But jfc, the other part of me just has idea why you're letting alex off the hook and why you fakeclaimed a guilty on kirize anyway. Dude you're pretty awesome at scumreading but damn man argh.

I just woke up and I already feel like going back to sleep. I'll think this all over and get back to y'all later bye

P-edit: ladd, what are the town games you mentioned?

[Mroz4k]

Except you very likely can be a Consort. Your Vig fakeclaim fit in perfectly. You knew you would be rbed by Escorts but as Consort you could easily keep on roleblocking. You would have a good excuse not to shoot anyone for confirmation as long as Witch lives, and you would blame the Kirize Town flip on Kirize getting healed and not saying anything before he replaced out.

But then replacement happened and two HCs followed. So your plan was shattered.

You faked a Vet, if you got cced, you would out the real Vet who becomes a Town hazard, and you give your scum pals warning who to not visit.

If you didn't get cced, you knew Vig wouldn't dare to shoot you,you get insane Town Cred for Unique role claim and a shield from town and scum who would be affraid to visit you.

Your Vig fakeclaim doesn't make sense as Ladd!Vet because you knew you would be getting rbed by one, or even two escorts at once + Witch would be sending Townies into you.

[Mroz4k]

Well, maybe Witch would try to control you first. Still, you knew you would at the very least kill and escort if you alerted.
Actually, Witch would prolly not control you cause of Escorts.

Alouvre, whether he was against Escort rbing him is irrelevant because Escorts would do it regardless.

[ladd]

the one you replaced in late in the game as Mafia, I think 8E? I fakeclaimed LO who did not saw FML visit the person they claimed to have visited D2. And when I fakeclaimed the guilty on DatDownie in CFM12. I am also pretty sure I fakeclaimed at least in another of the earlier games as Town, but I can't remember.

[ladd]

getting healed does not give immune message last time I checked.

I don't have time for your dumb conspirancy theory Mroz.

[ladd]

Ladd it would've been better if you had waited for alex. I don't trust him and at the moment I am filled with extreme doubt about you too. You literally killed me dude, I'm going to be so disappointed if you're scum.

I wanted to, but there was just not the time.

[ladd]

But jfc, the other part of me just has idea why you're letting alex off the hook and why you fakeclaimed a guilty on kirize anyway. Dude you're pretty awesome at scumreading but damn man argh.

Because Kirize was undeniably scummy and he annoyed me with his late D2 posts and I already explained how his stance towards my case on him was just disgusting. Plus there is the whole part with the night kill and the fact that he lied about his meta basically. Consider I was willing to lynch him without a claim, though I knew he was not TI from his D2 hypo and probably not Escort either due to the targets.

If he really is Town, like it looks, I will be honestly sad.

Alex fakeclaim makes sense as scum only if he is Mafia and Varanus is Bomber.

[ladd]

the one you replaced in late in the game as Mafia, I think 8E? I fakeclaimed LO who did not saw FML visit the person they claimed to have visited D2. And when I fakeclaimed the guilty on DatDownie in CFM12. I am also pretty sure I fakeclaimed at least in another of the earlier games as Town, but I can't remember.

I fakeclaimed Investigator as Town in SFM13 D2. I was Lookout.

[alouvre]

ok. and mroz yeah but my point is if he's town it could signify he was dissuading them. But I guess it could also set him up for a claim retraction. Idfk wtf. I'll go look at the games later

Your Vig fakeclaim doesn't make sense as Ladd!Vet because you knew you would be getting rbed by one, or even two escorts at once + Witch would be sending Townies into you.

Tired so sorry if I somehow missed this but can you respond to this too. Thanks

Ok bye for real

[ladd]

As I said my plan was not to fakeclaim Vig initially. Once I did, I just rolled with it, I would have approved Forgotten WIFOM plan before hanging Kirize.

And why would Witch send townies into me? Unless they have become a Consigliere, I don't see how they could have known I was Veteran after Kirize flip.

If Kirize is lynched and immune, I would have alerted probably. I think [Bomber, Witch, one of Consort and GF, SK} all were possible visits. I would have probably killed a bitch in the process, but it's a risky life.

If Kirize was scum and not immune, I probably would have not alerted. Escort maybe has a brain and does not rb me, maybe not, but I probably would not have risked it.

If Kirize was Town, not, obviously.

[ladd]

Can we like discuss who to lynch?

Debating whether my fakeclaim makes sense or not is just a waste of time, my alignment is gonna self resolve as the game goes on.

[ladd]

As far as roleblocks go, I'm thinking there's a roughly equal chance of Mafioso+Consort+Escort as Consort+Escort+Escort. I'd like to get opinions on this from everyone, though. Until further notice, I shall assume the former, as the latter would strongly suggest James is scum, and I want to avoid that bias.

This does not feel like Mafia talking to Mafia btw.

[ladd]

I don't know who to vote, my reads are a mess this game. I would lynch everyone but like 3 people maybe, 5 if you consider hardclaims.

/vote Sam

Ugh

[ladd]

Bye.

I will see if there are some cool reactions to my fakeclaim itt later.