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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby ladd » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:23 pm

gut scumreads*
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby ladd » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:26 pm

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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby Mroz4k » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:27 pm

Oh, wow.

Okay.

2escorts + Consort or 2consorts + Escort? Either way, I think it's Consort that's on my slot. If M4x was Townish on D2, Escort wouldn't try to rb again. And I don't think it's likely I was rbed by two RBers.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:39 pm

m4x was townie but jammy wasn't. it's possible consort blocked you twice or two different roleblockers targeted your slot.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:53 pm

Some observtions about voting Mela.

After James2 voted, then it took some pages and
Ladd voted, then
Persian voted, then
Jammy voted "even though he didn't want to", then
Samuel voted, then
I can't freaking find who voted afterwards.

I can imagine after James2, there would be some pattern for how scum voted. But I can't really say how...

I'm gonna update my list. To be honest, it was very, very quickly done and mostly comprised of others townreads because they had some good points. Some inspiration is from Mela, because her perspective is from a guaranteed town player, so it should be valuable being in the train and seeing things.

Writing more under the list.
Spoiler: ryanb - null (downgraded because I feel ryanb could be neutral as well, he appears pro-town, but the way he ignores things mela says and oddly deathtunneled her gave me a feeling of a tryharded scumhunt. It wasn't as town-motivated as it may seem, I think. Also is resigning himself so much after pushing, in a way that seems fake and overcompensated)
persian - townread nullscum (reading ISO his posts have given me the impression of someone who has a meta of being an easy townread, but I see scum this game)
kirize - gut townlean (very reminiscent play of kirize in VFM)
maxwell's SLOT (jammy replaced out) - nulltown (reason for change is some good posts and a way of posting that seems like an excited townie) I change my read. Could easily be a neutral though.
samuel - townlean (changed strongly, similar reasons to LoF)
ladd - scum (feels like that NFM 24 I remember him replacing in and being like this, and he was scum. His aggressive playstyle, in comparison to samuel/lof, doesn't actually feel very town. Ignores random points and pushes things/does not push things that would otherwise make sense to [ALSO REMINISCENT OF TRUEGENT FROM 10E, He had the exact same feeling of "leading town, saying and doing a lot, but not town in the end])
alouvre - nullscum/scumlean (due to hark mostly. I don't think that Hark's replacement says much at all. It could easily be a result of the replacement Oily did in VFM which motivated him to do the same in an episode, I can easily see his personality do that kind of shit. Now about alouvre... the interactions between ladd, alouvre and ryanb are fishy. There is a scum or two (probably one neutral then) amongst them, almost guaranteed in my opinion)
Lordoffail - townlean (his posts give me a towny feel, even though I disagree with a lot. There's a thing he and samuel have in common; they are responding logically and saying very logical things)
James2 - gut scumlean (AH YEAH, THE GUT theforgot3n1 READ) (DEAD PLAYER)
Misa or Whomever - no idea (Man replacement sucks when ISO isn't updated)
Jammy - gut scum gut scumlean gut scum (can't say exactly
yau - nulltown (they seem very free in their posts, does not seem like a scum scared to write the wrong things [part of this is him responding to everyone], but too few posts for a higher status)
Lexiam - null (could sway either way)
npromin1 - nullscum-ish (annoying player to read. I can't read him at all atm because he is contributing, but at the same time saying and doing scummy things)
thukko - nulltown (very few posts, but the ones that exist ring town)


This reads list wasn't done by looking at mel, actually none at all. I'll do that some other time. I do into everyone's ISO and looked thoroughly into it. I'm happy about it but found a weird pattern where every loud player is actually a scum feel (except ryanb). I still think it's correct though, given their ISO.

So on that, I will suggest a lynchpool, people I think others should focus on.

Persian, ladd, npromin1, alouvre

Can imagine lexiam and ryanb on there as well, because lexiam is the type of player to say very little, so it's good to pressure. And Ryanb because I couldn't be arsed to truly go through his massive wall and see if it is legit from a town point of view. I think LoF is town with his newest wall now. I like his tone a lot this game.

I will remove my silly vote on Jammy that was just a gut thing without much basis, and put it correctly, that is

/vote ladd
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:04 pm

i disagree with 90% of your list it seems and found it hard to take seriously after you said persian was easily townread, samuel's posts were logical, and ryan was ignoring mel's points. i'll go read nfm 24 but lol. for what it's worth i remember ladd acting like this in dfm. but idt you were there. idk. cant be assed to check the others, i want to see what ladd has on kirize first.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:22 pm

Also I want to add that my day1 and day2 is, from my perspective, sad. Or not really sad because I didn't do anything right, but because I was frustrated from the retarded amount of inactiveness/replacement. It wasn't sad because I tried and failed, but because I never tried from the start, which to be entirely honest with you guys, I don't think I did anything wrong to. Yes, I was part of the cancer that way, but there has to be SOME standard as to how inactive the town can be, I don't give a crap about scum, but townies? Come on.

So I understand suspicion/arguments based on day1 and day2, and I will answer them if you have any you care to push, but I'm sincere in saying it isn't representative of how I usually play. Check my VFM game or NFM 28/24. I feel that there is enough material and enthusiasm this day that I will be more active, though. :)

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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:29 pm

what was that directed towards?
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:38 pm

alouvre wrote:i disagree with 90% of your list it seems and found it hard to take seriously after you said persian was easily townread, samuel's posts were logical, and ryan was ignoring mel's points. i'll go read nfm 24 but lol. for what it's worth i remember ladd acting like this in dfm. but idt you were there. idk. cant be assed to check the others, i want to see what ladd has on kirize first.


Yeah samuel's posts are logical. Now I can agree it might not be a townlean, but more of a nulltown type of deal. Nevertheless, tell me where he isn't behaving naturally, alouvre.

SamuelJackson1972 wrote:Sheriff: James2 is NS
Investigator: Yauaustin202 is Cit/Godfather
Lookout: Harkonnen97 was visited by no one.


Is something I like. No resistance to the idea and just doing it.

Persian, from his posts, look like a player that is easily townread. Don't "not take it seriously" when you don't even understand what I'm saying adequately. A bit like myself as I've come to notice.

PersianRugs wrote:Not-SK list(includes dead ppl)
1.PersianRugs
2.ChamAlien
3.PurpleSidewalk1
4.Melanora
5.James2
6.JammySplodge's slot
7.Kirize12
8.Zero
9.SamuelJackson1972
10.ryanyb

As you can see, half of the game is already eliminated from being SK. There are 16 alive. 10 suspects of sk left.

OK, it looks like the GF probably did the killing. James2 was mafioso doing roleblocks with the consort and hitting the SK is likely.
How many ppl are left to check in?

@Truegent Also, can u please update the graveyard and add the ISOs for the replacements. That would be great ;)


Does not look like a towncred grabbing thing, but looks like a genuine effort. Which makes persian seem town, even though other posts say otherwise. It's a mix of towniness/scummy actions coming out here and there, and that to me, seems more indicative of scum than town in the end. (Indicative of a player who easily seems like town, but is scum in the end)

PersianRugs wrote:Slept peacefully.

When I saw "baby go boom" I thought we lynched the bomber -_-


Small thing, but seems townie to me. Mentioning the bomber, which I know mafia don't have knowledge of anyway, seems like a townie who was genuinely hyped over perhaps a successful lynch. It just doesn't seem overcompensated/fake like it does to so many other players making this sort of post. Because I could see myself having the same reaction in a parallel world.

Also rip claims I actually meant
N2 Escort - Jammy

alouvre wrote:what was that directed towards?

Was supposed to be a follow-up post, double-post.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:40 pm

Because I could see myself having the same reaction in a parallel world.


That was so cliche I have to rephrase it.

I could see myself having the same reaction if maybe I had different thoughts when I read it, or something else.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:56 pm

you can still behave naturally and be scummy. look at the exchange samuel and i had about omgus and you explain to me how that's logical or even townie. and that doesn't breach the other problems I have with him concerning pushing his reads and actually taking a stance on them.

i still disagree with your view of persian's meta, but k. from your quotes it sounds like you want to townread him against anything else. weird.

i know it was supposed to be a follow up, but what made you feel like you needed to say it?
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:11 pm

alouvre wrote:you can still behave naturally and be scummy. look at the exchange samuel and i had about omgus and you explain to me how that's logical or even townie. and that doesn't breach the other problems I have with him concerning pushing his reads and actually taking a stance on them.

i still disagree with your view of persian's meta, but k. from your quotes it sounds like you want to townread him against anything else. weird.


The exchange wasn't scummy in any way. That is actually a part of what makes him seem town. In his perspective, you made a blatant contradiction. He was pointing that out in a somewhat indirect way because it seemed obvious to him. Then eventually he realized he had misinterpreted what you said. The fact that you can see it that way and we both noticed it (as we're both probably townies), just like with the bomber thing and Persian, makes him more townie in my eyes. He could still be scum who just reacted naturally, but yeah I'd say it's less likely.

Alouvre, you're not even getting my read on him correctly. I have NULLSCUM on him. What is up with this insanely low effort in your posts? Don't make a thousand posts like Hark just to make your ISO a living hell.

alouvre wrote:i know it was supposed to be a follow up, but what made you feel like you needed to say it?

You don't think it is relevant to anyone reading up one me?

I felt I should mention it because I've seen people legitimately question my day1 and day2 votes/useless remarks (FeelsGoodMan when voting Melanora for example). Which you, ladd and ryanb should have done but you're all acting fishy and ignore some things that you SHOULD be questioning as legit townies. Your questions are weird too, I definitely feel your best town version wouldn't be acting the way he is now.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby npromin1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:23 pm

alouvre wrote:i don't think you're reading my posts lof. as i said, class soon, but meta is legit and i already said like two times i didnt like N only giving elaborations when he's prompted. i had to check if he was someone who did that naturally or someone who doesnt usually do that. and from what i can tell he doesnt.



K, I'll elaborate. Read NFM 20 Mafia Chat. Though I lost, I'm quite proud of this chat.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby npromin1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:29 pm

oh great im being annoying to people.

All I'm trying to do is conrtibute without pissing people off but it's really hard.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby Lexiam » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:31 pm

Now that NFM30 is over, i shall focus on here to catch the scum here.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:33 pm

i don't know what you're saying in your first post. he said "that omgus though" right before he voted mel. never answered what the hell he was referring to, my post he mentioned isn't an acceptable answer. it was not in any way phrased to look like he wanted me to see it. put it right under some stuff he said directly to mel then moved on to james.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749113#p1749113

and may i point out he made this post later.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749984#p1749984

first post phrased like he was actually scumreading mel. second post lifted that off of her for no reason. never specified which scummier people he meant despite me asking. and if you read the other posts in the omgus exchange it's obvious he's evading giving a clear answer.

there is no fucking way his reaction was townie. my initial question ("how was it omgus if she (mel) scumread hark before he or I did?") both implied i thought he was accusing mel of omgusing and presented a very clear question. his answer? quoting a post of mel's that directly supported that mel wasn't omgusing and asked me if i was drunk. and the conversation only gets more confusing from there. he knew exactly wha he was doing. there's no other explanation dude. i'm pretty sure my questions were clear. and then he ends the argument by claiming he was doing a reaction test lol. yeah fucking right.

nullscum might as well be a scumread dude. if you're gonna give an alignment stick to it, you can't say he's nullSCUM and expect others to treat it like a regular ol' nullread. and no, i'm going to continue making "insanely low effort posts" because this is how i want to play, sorry if it bothers you.

you didn't want to be townread and now you seem concerned about. nobody wants to lynch you. seems like you were just getting uncomfortable with the amount of suspicion on you.

what things should we be questioning? be more specific.

pedit ok N, I'll do that.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:36 pm

forgot one more clarifying thing with samuel because nobody seems to understand what's so scummy about the exchange.

i asked him to clarify if he thought mel or i was omgusing. he said neither. yet he said "that omgus though" which implies SOMEONE was omgusing. yet he claimed it was bait to draw me out into explaining my post.

seriously samuel, if you'll actually respond to everything in my post i'll listen but i've already said all of this before and you picked what to respond to. that's not what i think the townie you would do.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:41 pm

npromin1 wrote:
alouvre wrote:i don't think you're reading my posts lof. as i said, class soon, but meta is legit and i already said like two times i didnt like N only giving elaborations when he's prompted. i had to check if he was someone who did that naturally or someone who doesnt usually do that. and from what i can tell he doesnt.



K, I'll elaborate. Read NFM 20 Mafia Chat. Though I lost, I'm quite proud of this chat.

apologies, what exactly do you want me to look at there?
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby LordofFail » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:09 pm

ladd wrote:There is no point looking for scum in the lynch wagon, when there was really no other option besides nolynch and everyone town player with a brain would have voted Mel, unless they had a really strong town read on them especially since they claimed Citizen. Seeing why there were no other options would be a much better work but the answer is pretty easy and I don't really think it helps that much, everyone was inactive the two most vocal people were strongly scumreading Mel so the lynch went that way.



No lynch >>>> Mislynch. I would rather see townies survive then be killed. In my opinion you should vote a scumread or vote nobody at all. Dont vote someone just because you feel compelled to lynch every day. Doing so is no better then random lynching.

Yes I know that a mislynch can give information, but I would rather nolynch.

Also how is there no point in looking for scum in the lynch wagon? Is that not the entire reasoning for voting someone even though it might be a mislynch; to get associations? Meaning that if it is a mislynch we can get scum from the voters? If we cannot find scum on a mislynch wagon then mislynching yields no useful information meaning a nolynch is better the an mislynch.

/vote ladd


forgot3n1, i would like to see a full reads list from you with town, null or scum next to each name. None of this nullscum or nulltown wishy washy nonsense. Either you have a townread or a scumread on a player (or a nullread, but there really shouldn't be too many of those by D3)


ladd wrote:Yeah, whatever, this game is slow anyway so we may as well get this out of the way.

I want Kirize to claim.

Possibly Milte slot as well, but that has nothing to do with my role.


Why should Kirize claim? We are looking to lynch the SK today, they are top lynch priority since it lowers KPN. Kirize is confirmed as not being SK since they were roleblocked N1 and SK killed someone other then a roleblocker.


alouvre wrote:Kirize and Thukk0 were roleblocked N1.

was responding to your line in your forgoten read LoF. you haven't had a real presence in the thread until now and never followed through with your read on mel until it was too late. don't really feel like arguing whether drunkposting excuses it but it's funny how you're only presenting one side of situation when the two or so people that were against the lynch were just saying "i have a bad feeling, i think this is a bad idea" without ever actually defending her or explaining why.

ladd i'm waiting.


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If I had the time I would have followed through. Not that it would have mattered, what I say gets ignored most of the time anyways (but thats besides the point). You are making no argument here other then an ad hominem attack to try and invalidate my reads list. Oh, and for the record, I think mel defended herself quite well, the lynch was clearly scum driven and rose to fruition by sheepy town who are under a "must lynch every day even if its a mislynch or i vote someoen who isnt a scumread" mentality, which is, to be frank, just plain dumb.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:18 pm

Alouvre, I can explain how he thought.

alouvre wrote:Q: are you omgusing!!!
A: yes.


The Q sentence can be interpreted in two ways. Either
assuming the Question is directed to alouvre, then it becomes
"alouvre, are you omgusing!!!"
"yes"
Or otherwise, assuming that alouvre directed the question to melanora, it becomes
"melanora, are you omgusing!!!"
"yes"

And I think that's where the confusion lies. If you read the rest with that narrative in mind, then it makes sense, such as
I meant that your post seems to imply that you think they're [melanora is] omgusing.


About the reaction shit test thing, I can't see from his ISO what he's even referring to, because it's not the OMGUS business. We'll have to ask samuel about it, but yeah true on that being weird.

alouvre wrote:nullscum might as well be a scumread dude. if you're gonna give an alignment stick to it, you can't say he's nullSCUM and expect others to treat it like a regular ol' nullread. and no, i'm going to continue making "insanely low effort posts" because this is how i want to play, sorry if it bothers you.


LordofFail wrote:forgot3n1, i would like to see a full reads list from you with town, null or scum next to each name. None of this nullscum or nulltown wishy washy nonsense. Either you have a townread or a scumread on a player (or a nullread, but there really shouldn't be too many of those by D3)


No. A scumread, a scumlean and null are important differences. I can't put ladd and PersianRugs and alouvre on the same bracket. That's just lying to you and myself. They're clearly on different scales, and therefore, I've put it that way. I'll admit the reads list is cluttered as hell, but no one has complained on that so I haven't bothered to remake it.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby LordofFail » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:24 pm

forgot3n1, im not saying that you abandon the differences, im saying that by D3 you should not have so many people in the null category. Yes some people are going to be null, but there should not be as many nullreads as you have. I'm not saying you have to commit to a townread or a scumread but I would like more definitive opinions on who you think is town and scum.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:28 pm

A nullscum is someone you would prefer to lynch over a null. Use common sense, it's someone I think is more scummy, than a nullread, such as Lexiam.

LordofFail wrote:forgot3n1, im not saying that you abandon the differences, im saying that by D3 you should not have so many people in the null category. Yes some people are going to be null, but there should not be as many nullreads as you have. I'm not saying you have to commit to a townread or a scumread but I would like more definitive opinions on who you think is town and scum.


Okay. You can consider every nullscum to be a weaker form of scumlean. Let's say, slight scumlean. I am not sure enough to say scumlean, since that implies personally believing in like a 30-40% chance-ish ofbeing scum, which I don't for Persian to be honest. Maybe for alouvre that chance is actually quite accurate.

Now, LoF, I find your stance on nolynching quite interesting, I haven't seriously considered nolynching when you truly don't believe in your vote. Anyway,

Why are you voting ladd over alouvre or Persian?
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:34 pm

TheForgot3n1 wrote:Why are you voting ladd over alouvre or Persian?


Sorry for clutter, I meant "ryanyb" not Persian. He is a townread for you I saw.

Also alouvre, if you don't care about making effort into your posts, just know that I probably won't give you much attention when it comes to your pushes/reads. I just can't be arsed to comprehend this:

alouvre wrote:i don't know what you're saying in your first post. he said "that omgus though" right before he voted mel. never answered what the hell he was referring to, my post he mentioned isn't an acceptable answer. it was not in any way phrased to look like he wanted me to see it. put it right under some stuff he said directly to mel then moved on to james.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749113#p1749113

and may i point out he made this post later.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749984#p1749984

first post phrased like he was actually scumreading mel. second post lifted that off of her for no reason. never specified which scummier people he meant despite me asking. and if you read the other posts in the omgus exchange it's obvious he's evading giving a clear answer.

there is no fucking way his reaction was townie. my initial question ("how was it omgus if she (mel) scumread hark before he or I did?") both implied i thought he was accusing mel of omgusing and presented a very clear question. his answer? quoting a post of mel's that directly supported that mel wasn't omgusing and asked me if i was drunk. and the conversation only gets more confusing from there. he knew exactly wha he was doing. there's no other explanation dude. i'm pretty sure my questions were clear. and then he ends the argument by claiming he was doing a reaction test lol. yeah fucking right.

nullscum might as well be a scumread dude. if you're gonna give an alignment stick to it, you can't say he's nullSCUM and expect others to treat it like a regular ol' nullread. and no, i'm going to continue making "insanely low effort posts" because this is how i want to play, sorry if it bothers you.

you didn't want to be townread and now you seem concerned about. nobody wants to lynch you. seems like you were just getting uncomfortable with the amount of suspicion on you.

what things should we be questioning? be more specific.

pedit ok N, I'll do that.


Look at this post. It's horrendous and no one, not even yourself, would like to read these type of ugly posts. Imagine if you would ignore paragraphs too, you would NEVER want to read someone else's posts that had that structure. Yet you put so little effort into your own.

Btw
alouvre wrote:you didn't want to be townread and now you seem concerned about. nobody wants to lynch you. seems like you were just getting uncomfortable with the amount of suspicion on you.


This post makes no sense and seems like someone desperate to throw accusations back.
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby LordofFail » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:35 pm

TheForgot3n1 wrote:A nullscum is someone you would prefer to lynch over a null. Use common sense, it's someone I think is more scummy, than a nullread, such as Lexiam.

LordofFail wrote:forgot3n1, im not saying that you abandon the differences, im saying that by D3 you should not have so many people in the null category. Yes some people are going to be null, but there should not be as many nullreads as you have. I'm not saying you have to commit to a townread or a scumread but I would like more definitive opinions on who you think is town and scum.


Okay. You can consider every nullscum to be a weaker form of scumlean. Let's say, slight scumlean. I am not sure enough to say scumlean, since that implies personally believing in like a 30-40% chance-ish ofbeing scum, which I don't for Persian to be honest. Maybe for alouvre that chance is actually quite accurate.

Now, LoF, I find your stance on nolynching quite interesting, I haven't seriously considered nolynching when you truly don't believe in your vote. Anyway,

Why are you voting ladd over alouvre or Persian?


I really didn't like ladd's last couple of posts - ill vote for any of ladd, alouvre or ryan, i think they are all likely to flip scum
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Re: Episode XI | Day 3 (Seeing dead people)

Postby alouvre » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:38 pm

LoF, i apologise if you thought my post was an "ad hominem attack." but yes, i'm trying to invalidate (some of) your readlist because i disagree with them. is that a problem?

my point is you didn't try to defend someone who you thought was town. nobody except mel ever responded to our accusations. ever. if you guys really didn't want a mislynch then you should've done something about it. i at the very least pushed what i thought was right. it feels horribly biased, like you're trying to frame the situation to suit yourself, by accusing those that actually pushed their stances, and not caring about those who didn't even try.

tell me, do you need an explanation of why the case against mel was legitimate? will it convince you? or will it just waste both our time? i'm not going to work on something if you aren't going to consider it.

Forgoten, i understand a misunderstanding there, but it's how he came to it that worries me. the reaction test WAS the "omgus business" and you can see that in this post.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1750152#p1750152

i asked why he voted melanora if he found others scummy and you can see here he ignored my last question and referred to a reaction test. look at his previous few posts and it's obvious he meant trying to bait me into explaining my post. which he somehow got to from me asking about his little remark about omgus. which makes no sense and just looks like scum trying to make a convoluted argument in order to confuse people and get them to drop it. well, i ain't dropping shit.

i agree reads can be of varying intensity but my point is you seem to be emphasizing persian's towniness despite having him as nullscum. you didn't even quote any of the scummy posts he made. if i hadn't seen your previous list i would've assumed you had him as at least a townlean (barring the sentence where you explicitly stated you found him ultimately scummy). this incongruency is what i find strange.

are you... trying to tell me to type differently? are you complaining about how i format my posts? i'm not sure what you're trying to say anymore.

as for the last one, i'm referring to this.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1752282#p1752282

you stated you didn't want a townread here but now you're giving a defence when nobody even suggested lynching you. doesn't this work out for you, according to the first post?
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