9B (SP) | Spilled Drink | Game Over (Town Wins)

[SamuelJackson1972]

Still Town here. This is a mislynch.

Unless Arc was drunk when he went me the night actions, then I have no reason to believe you over them.

[Tiltedcomedian]

Still Town here. This is a mislynch.

Unless Arc was drunk when he went me the night actions, then I have no reason to believe you over them.

That's nice.

Who are the scum?

You, moon, Mole, and Polyester, most likely.

[Elastoid]

Who are the scum?

You, moon, Mole, and Polyester, most likely.

So to clarify: Mole is scum.

You don't believe Mole's claim.

Thus, the counterclaim from Sam must be accurate.

So tell me: are you Bodyguard, Prankster or Serial Killer? Cause that's the result he says he got.

[teamalex]

Now specify, mafia and SK.

[Tiltedcomedian]

Who are the scum?

You, moon, Mole, and Polyester, most likely.

So to clarify: Mole is scum.

You don't believe Mole's claim.

Thus, the counterclaim from Sam must be accurate.

So tell me: are you Bodyguard, Prankster or Serial Killer? Cause that's the result he says he got.

Not so much. I think he's just a Citizen who's gambiting with Mole and reaction testing.

I am none of the above.

Now specify, mafia and SK.

SK - You
Mafia - The other 3

[teamalex]

Are you claiming the last PR?

[Tiltedcomedian]

What are you talking about? All the confirmed PRs are accounted for.

[teamalex]

Which are?

[Elastoid]

So to clarify: Mole is scum.

You don't believe Mole's claim.

Thus, the counterclaim from Sam must be accurate.

So tell me: are you Bodyguard, Prankster or Serial Killer? Cause that's the result he says he got.

Not so much. I think he's just a Citizen who's gambiting with Mole and reaction testing.

I am none of the above.

So either you're SK

OR Sam is a Citizen who decided that Moleland must be scum and decided to counterclaim falsely as Investigator, making up results that involve his knowingly standing by and watching Jordarrian's lynch, then falsifying results to engineer your mislynch in a situation where doing so ensures his loss.

He's doing this as town. That's your argument.

[Tiltedcomedian]

CJBlack - Medium - Killed by the Mafia N1 (TOWN SUPPORT)
KingOfEvil - Investigator - Killed by the Mafia N2 (TOWN INVESTIGATIVE)
Jordarrian - Marshal - Lynched D3 (TOWN PROTECTIVE)
taylork2 - Veteran - Still alive (TOWN KILLING)

So either you're SK

OR Sam is a Citizen who decided that Moleland must be scum and decided to counterclaim falsely as Investigator, making up results that involve his knowingly standing by and watching Jordarrian's lynch, then falsifying results to engineer your mislynch in a situation where doing so ensures his loss.

He's doing this as town. That's your argument.

Stranger things have happened, sadly.

[teamalex]

Leyva, Evil and an empty slot, no?

Why did you skip them?

[Elastoid]

CJBlack - Medium - Killed by the Mafia N1 (TOWN SUPPORT)
KingOfEvil - Investigator - Killed by the Mafia N2 (TOWN INVESTIGATIVE)
Jordarrian - Marshal - Lynched D3 (TOWN PROTECTIVE)
taylork2 - Veteran - Still alive (TOWN KILLING)

leyva - Escort - Killed by SK N2
EvilDeanius - Doctor - Killed by the Mafia N4
Random Town -- ????

Stranger things have happened, sadly.

Did Rhazh choose you to replace in because if he can't win, nobody gets to?

[teamalex]

And you couldn't say that Sam was a gambiting Citizen immediately before.

Bullshit.

[Moleland]

You know town!sam dying confirms two scum while town!me dying confirms one, right?

If we lynch Tilted, town Sam dying confirms you as scum, and NOTHING ELSE. It would also confirm:

Persians was Witch
Jordarrian was Marshal
Poly is Citizen/GF.
Tilted was SK (we'll know that after his lynch).

Why would that be useful?

You would love for us to say you should both suicide. That way, after we wake up and you're alive and Sam's dead (and flips), we lynch you and then have to lynch twice without Sam's results on living people.

You've already got results on living people, so town you would give us WAY more to work with after you flip. Right now, all we have is your word, which is shit.

Your arguement for me not being town us that Eliah is mafia as well... Correct?

[teamalex]

Mole, why did you think TrueGent slipped as SK, where did he do that?

I can't bothered looking on my phone, but true said a few times "i can't be mafia" not "i can't be scum"

I almost tilted but i was expecting a result on true.p

Mole, quote that please, if you have the time.

[Tiltedcomedian]

Spoiler:

Leyva, Evil and an empty slot, no?

Why did you skip them?

They are random Town.

CJBlack - Medium - Killed by the Mafia N1 (TOWN SUPPORT)
KingOfEvil - Investigator - Killed by the Mafia N2 (TOWN INVESTIGATIVE)
Jordarrian - Marshal - Lynched D3 (TOWN PROTECTIVE)
taylork2 - Veteran - Still alive (TOWN KILLING)

leyva - Escort - Killed by SK N2
EvilDeanius - Doctor - Killed by the Mafia N4
Random Town -- ????

Stranger things have happened, sadly.

Did Rhazh choose you to replace in because if he can't win, nobody gets to?

1) Samuel - Random Town Cit
2) I just rolled a die.

And you couldn't say that Sam was a gambiting Citizen immediately before.

Bullshit.

K.

Tilted, in all seriousness.

Does that look like a Sam play to you?

Not until I thought about it.

[SamuelJackson1972]

Tilted, no.
I'm not one to make retarded gambits on such a large scale.

[Elastoid]

Your arguement for me not being town us that Eliah is mafia as well... Correct?

My argument for you not being town is that your claim is bullshit, you haven't behaved as town all game, and the counterclaim makes more sense than your claim does.

My argument for why you suddenly claimed with 3 hours left is that Eliah might be a scumbuddy. I don't know for sure, but it explains your sudden claim. That said, my argument against you doesn't hinge on Eliah's role -- I'm just saying that you're mafia, and you've got a buddy associative with Eliah. Thus, Sam should check Eliah.

Although now that I think about it, a Citizen/GF result wouldn't tell us much on Eliah -- you might have claimed Eliah's NS because he's GF. I need to think more about who Sam should check -- could use some help with that from the masses.

I don't need to think much about whether you're scum, though.

[Elastoid]

Tilted, no.
I'm not one to make retarded gambits on such a large scale.

In this way, you distinguish yourself from James2, Jordarrian, moonbird and others.

[teamalex]

Tell me more, Eliah.

Who are the scum?

[teamalex]

In all honesty I think the deathnote was written by a more experienced player.

Could be wrong. *shrugs*

[Elastoid]

p-edit: Wow, thanks. ಠ╭╮ಠ

No, you don't get to be offended. At best, you misunderstood the mechanics behind the message the SK got when his attack failed, and lied to town in a futile gambit that very nearly caused your mislynch. That Tilted turned out to be SK (and bad at hiding it) doesn't make your play good. You very nearly lost us the game -- four scum means only TWO town have to be convinced you're scum in order to mislynch you and lose us the game.

Your play was bad and you should feel bad.

If we're going a suicide plan route, have both Sam and Mole ram into Taylor, or command both to, at the very least. I believe Mole over Sam, and I don't think such an action necessary, but that's the optimal suicide plan. We're lynching either Mole or Sam tomorrow; no discrepancies about that. The suicide route immediately confirms which investigative is actually the PR, and publicizing their results so we can further plan lynches and immediately discuss pre-flips tomorrow.

Mafia kill motivation varies slightly in both scenarios, but, taking a look at the commonalities, if Gent's not scum, mafia's attacking him tonight, as he's an active player and cleared by Mole. Elastiod/Alex would be secondary kills due to activity; I'd likely be a tertiary choice. Eliah would fall forth and, if a suicide plan is agreed upon, the risk of attacking Taylor would plop them dead last.

Two things: DO NOT pre-read the meanings of kills. We're likely going to spend a lot of time AFTERWARD discussing what a certain kill means from a mafia perspective -- doing so now allows the mafia to choose which message they want to send and muddies the waters.

And if we instruct both to suicide, the mafia player will live (for sure) and the town player will die (for sure). We will then lynch the mafia player and be facing a 3v2 and 2v1 consecutive lylo situation. This is rough either way, but if Sam is town (and he probably is), it's the worst, because we have NO LIVING CHECKS besides Poly to work from.

In the scenario where Moleland is town, telling him to suicide vs telling them both to suicide yields the same results: In both instances, Moleland commits suicide and Sam does not. Either way, we would know that Sam is scum, and that you, Gent and Eliah are NS.

In the scenario where Sam is town, telling both to suicide vs telling just Moleland to suicide yields worse results: in the first instance, Sam is dead, we lynch Moleland and then have only his associatives to go from in a 4v3 with only one confirmed town. In the second instance, we have a 5v3 with two confirmed town (Sam and taylor), and we have Sam's read to go on.

[Elastoid]

In all honesty I think the deathnote was written by a more experienced player.

Could be wrong. *shrugs*

My read of the DN: Tilted is clearly SK at this point (his defense is that Sam must be gamethrowing), which says the mafia are against the SK lynch right now (makes sense), they don't know who the SK is, or they expected the note to be largely ignored.

If it's the first, then they're pushing a mislynch against you and you look town. That would be a note from a mafia that believes players will believe the DN, which leads me to believe they're inexperienced players.
If it's the second, then they may actually believe you're SK. That seems less likely, but Moleland being scum makes it possible.
If it's the third, then they could be deliberately distancing from you, or trying to appear so (WIFOM) to implicate you. That would be the play of a more experienced player.

[taylork2]

You know what, if we lose, its mostly fine with me, everyone's been shit this game, our non-lying invest, potentially Evil, half of the citizens, myself, James, Jord didn't help, James again.
Even if the town wins I won't be proud of it, even if I was to somehow win a 1vs1 with the sk/mafia member, not after this.

[Moleland]

Your arguement for me not being town us that Eliah is mafia as well... Correct?

My argument for you not being town is that your claim is bullshit, you haven't behaved as town all game, and the counterclaim makes more sense than your claim does.

My argument for why you suddenly claimed with 3 hours left is that Eliah might be a scumbuddy. I don't know for sure, but it explains your sudden claim. That said, my argument against you doesn't hinge on Eliah's role -- I'm just saying that you're mafia, and you've got a buddy associative with Eliah. Thus, Sam should check Eliah.

Although now that I think about it, a Citizen/GF result wouldn't tell us much on Eliah -- you might have claimed Eliah's NS because he's GF. I need to think more about who Sam should check -- could use some help with that from the masses.

I don't need to think much about whether you're scum, though.

You are eithet mafia or dumb now. Why would i fakeclaim to defend a towny as mafia? If you truely believe sam then Eliah is mafia too