9B (SP) | Spilled Drink | Game Over (Town Wins)

[RhazhBash]

Yeah you're using the same logic as James2. I've already said this like 5 times. What would I be able to gain from playing along with the Blackmailer? If your answer is their members, then stop talking. What the message told me was that the Mafia thought taylor was Town and I was a Witch trying to mislynch. When I get something like that that makes me rethink my top scumread, I'm sure as hell revealing it because there's nothing I would get from keeping it to myself.

Moon have you made any real pushes on anyone other than me? I've seen you throw out your thoughts, but until today you weren't putting yourself forward to find scum. You were staying back to not be noticed. I've pointed out issues with some of your reasons for reading me the way you do, and honestly those reads look engineered and not natural. Looking through your ISO you haven't even made any strong pushes against anyone other than me, and even the push on me looks pretty weak.

[RhazhBash]

/vote Moonbird

Not gonna lie I haven't been keeping track of when the day ends. It's so inactive it feels like we still have 3 days left.

Anyways I don't want Sam or Polyester lynched today. Poly I can't see as being scum if Moon is scum, and I'm more confident on Moon at this point. Sam I don't know why people are scumreading. Moeland and Evil would be my top two picks for lynching someone if we don't lynch Moon.

[teamalex]

Top lynch target would be Eliah for me but I think I would be okay with a Mole lynch aswell. Time to do some research.

We need to find a lynch target in the next 24 hours so everyone can vote safely.

[teamalex]

Why are you scumreading Evil, Rhazh?

[taylork2]

/vote Moonbird

Not gonna lie I haven't been keeping track of when the day ends. It's so inactive it feels like we still have 3 days left.

Anyways I don't want Sam or Polyester lynched today. Poly I can't see as being scum if Moon is scum, and I'm more confident on Moon at this point. Sam I don't know why people are scumreading. Moeland and Evil would be my top two picks for lynching someone if we don't lynch Moon.

No, KOE left the results out on purpose, the only reason I believe he would do that is if Moon came up a Cit/GF.

Since we can't be a nice happy town of bright soon to be dead people, I'll RNG our lynch today, I'll take out myself, True, and Moon(it's a 16.667% they're the GF if KOE got a cit/GF result).
Will that satisfy everyone?

[taylork2]

Alright I just RNGed it, if you guys want to go ahead and do it, I can say who it will be.

We are in fact running out of time, so sooner rather than later we should be doing something.

[RhazhBash]

Taylor are you stupid? You can't decide a lynch by RNG. If you don't want Moonbird lynched I see where you're coming from, but I'd rather lynch Moeland than decide it at random.

[taylork2]

Taylor are you stupid? You can't decide a lynch by RNG. If you don't want Moonbird lynched I see where you're coming from, but I'd rather lynch Moeland than decide it at random.

No I'm not stupid, I'm getting pretty fucking tired of people this game talking to me like that.
Well I'm considering it this way, if we're all being terrible at decision making(considering how split the town currently is it appears so) RNG will not be fooled by the scum as it is unbiased where we are not, in fact I rather like the lynch it gave me.
You know what Rhazh, I think you're right, we shouldn't lynch people using RNG, we should lynch them for being scummy assholes.

/vote Rhazhbash

You've been constantly pushing against every plan I've come up with, not working to improve them, but simply dismissing them or arguing that they're terrible. You've taken a similar behavior for everything else you've done, so I want to see your flip, I want to see if a Blackmailer exists, I want to know whether you're this fucking stupid or you're scum.

[RhazhBash]

Taylor I'm not scum, I'd just rather not take a shot in the dark. I'd rather we not be in LyLo tomorrow. Your pool of people not to lynch still doesn't account for the fact that deciding a lynch by RNG has a higher percentage of failure since best case scenario 5/9 choices would cause Town to lose majority if we don't lynch the SK D5 (And that's not even taking into account the possibility of Moon being scum. I'll make a post looking through the Invest results to go with my scumread on Moon in a sec). Also do you have any people you want to lynch for non OMGUS reasons? I'm glad you aren't random lynching anymore, but I still don't see why you jump to the conclusion that I'm scum because I'm not following your plans blindly, because with the odds to hit scum via random lynch scum sure as hell would be on board with that plan.

[taylork2]

It's the way you've been playing this game, it reminds me of Sircakez in CFM12, god how it reminds me of it, asking for people's opinions and then just taking a shit on it and moving on to the next person who's opinion differs from yours.
This is about opposing the RNG lynch? No, it's about your behavior this entire game just straight up opposing every plan myself and others have had. Do you really think my plans have just been what I've said they've been?
Have you looked through my games I've played? When have I ever actually used RNG? I've never used RNG, not 1 fucking time. Does that not tip you off to what I'm doing. How often have I opening admitted every detail of my plans as town? NEVER!
And here you are ignoring my history entirely, ignoring that I'm a confirmed town member, calling whatever I do terrible, arguing or just "dissing" against EVERYTHING I come up with.
Take a fucking hint for christ's sake.
I don't believe you're this terrible, I believe you're scum manipulating the town.
I've been 2/2 when it comes to calling out scum players manipulating the town, and I want to see if I'm 3/3.

[RhazhBash]

It's the way you've been playing this game, it reminds me of Sircakez in CFM12, god how it reminds me of it, asking for people's opinions and then just taking a shit on it and moving on to the next person who's opinion differs from yours.
This is about opposing the RNG lynch? No, it's about your behavior this entire game just straight up opposing every plan myself and others have had. Do you really think my plans have just been what I've said they've been?
Have you looked through my games I've played? When have I ever actually used RNG? I've never used RNG, not 1 fucking time. Does that not tip you off to what I'm doing. How often have I opening admitted every detail of my plans as town? NEVER!
And here you are ignoring my history entirely, ignoring that I'm a confirmed town member, calling whatever I do terrible, arguing or just "dissing" against EVERYTHING I come up with.
Take a fucking hint for christ's sake.
I don't believe you're this terrible, I believe you're scum manipulating the town.
I've been 2/2 when it comes to calling out scum players manipulating the town, and I want to see if I'm 3/3.

Well sorry for only having read 2 games you've played (CFM 11 and 13). I don't read every game every other player has ever been in when I join a game. The only game I played with you when you were Town I died night 1. I know you're confirmed Town, but if I see a plan that looks like it won't work I'm gonna say why I don't think it'll work. I see you say you want to random lynch, and the first thing that comes to my mind is that you want to random lynch. Speaking of what actually is your plan anyways?

[taylork2]

My plan was to get more rebellious town members/scum to just follow me and announce someone I thought was likely scum as the "RNG" target, course that's out the fucking window, thanks.

I also had a plan for Jord, I was going to have him visit me and reaction test him, if he passed he was almost certainly town. That was ruined mostly by James the "vigilante" but had your help and a few others.

My RNG alert plan is obviously fake too, thanks again.

[taylork2]

Also since I mentioned it, why the fuck would you question the experienced confirmed veteran about alerting who's attempting to create a plan for the town to follow, wouldn't your "senses" kick in and tell you to fucking go with it?
Hell, ytf hasn't it with any of my plans?

[RhazhBash]

Sorry then taylor. I was looking at your plans as if what you said was the entire plan. I'll dig into Moeland and Evil in a bit.

[RhazhBash]

Also since I mentioned it, why the fuck would you question the experienced confirmed veteran about alerting who's attempting to create a plan for the town to follow, wouldn't your "senses" kick in and tell you to fucking go with it?
Hell, ytf hasn't it with any of my plans?

Same reason I didn't consider "just going with" any of James2's plans. I don't know you as a player, and wouldn't be able to tell what your plans really were.

[taylork2]

Also since I mentioned it, why the fuck would you question the experienced confirmed veteran about alerting who's attempting to create a plan for the town to follow, wouldn't your "senses" kick in and tell you to fucking go with it?
Hell, ytf hasn't it with any of my plans?

Same reason I didn't consider "just going with" any of James2's plans. I don't know you as a player, and wouldn't be able to tell what your plans really were.

True, but from I've known, James is far less experienced player, far less experienced in plan making, a non-confirmed town member, and simply a less skilled player.
So you didn't take into account any of those four things when thinking about my plans and his?

[RhazhBash]

Also since I mentioned it, why the fuck would you question the experienced confirmed veteran about alerting who's attempting to create a plan for the town to follow, wouldn't your "senses" kick in and tell you to fucking go with it?
Hell, ytf hasn't it with any of my plans?

Same reason I didn't consider "just going with" any of James2's plans. I don't know you as a player, and wouldn't be able to tell what your plans really were.

True, but from I've known, James is far less experienced player, far less experienced in plan making, a non-confirmed town member, and simply a less skilled player.
So you didn't take into account any of those four things when thinking about my plans and his?

Experience=/=skill. Also at the time he pretty much was a confirmed Townie. My first impressions with your plans were that you had no idea what you were doing, because once again, I don't know your meta.

[RhazhBash]

I have to ask taylor. Are you gonna say who you would have "RNG'd" or is that best kept to yourself?

[taylork2]

No experience is not equal to skill.
Take Persian and myself for an example, he's played in over a dozen games now, about as many as I have, which of us do you think is more skilled at FM?
If I take a look at FM Master Score his record is 3-8
I have roughly the same amount of games played as he does, what do you think my score is?
7-4.

Skill and experience are a correlation, not a constant or the same variable with a different name.


Now with how vehemently you've been spitting your opinion around yet and strangling other opinions out while lacking any regard for any of the factors I've given I don't believe you're a town member to say the very least.

Also at the time he pretty much was a confirmed Townie.

You should always consider it if it's possible! Even I considered it and stated I did.

I have to ask taylor. Are you gonna say who you would have "RNG'd" or is that best kept to yourself?

If you "have to know" for whatever blasted reason since my opinions changed since then, I was going to say Moleland or Creature after 2-3 rebellious/argumentative souls such as yourself agreed and I came to a more solid conclusion myself.

If you are a town member, you've been attempting to lead us to victory despite demonstrating you're not capable of doing it if you are a town member, nor are you capable of being trusted to do it.
If you're scum you've done a fantastic job at ruining the plans of town members, "ricking" the town in total, and making a fantastic comeback from your near lynch earlier.

[RhazhBash]

The main reason I asked was because if you weren't able to use that plan to guide the Town into lynching who you wanted then you could just do it the old fashioned way. I've already made it clear that I'm reading Moe as scum, but Creature not so much. I'll start with Moe.

What I don't like is how he makes posts like these without following up on them. This post in particular caught my eye. He seems like he wants to have a safety net if one of the people he pushes flips Town. He did follow up on it, but just to say he had two suspects (Alex and Sam). Throughout the game his pushes come off more as wanting to appear to help Town and not actually putting himself forward to find scum. [url=http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=37874&p=1207376#p1207376]This post in particular, along with the multiple posts where he immediatly responds to any scumread against him by asking the accuser to explain the read, makes me see a defensive attitude from him, rather than his main priority being to find scum.

Onto Creature, I think he's Town. Earlier in the game he lurked a lot and I figure that was the main reason me and a lot of people scumread him, but the posts he made at the start of D4 strike me as Town. I'm thinking he's lurking because he has nothing to say/isn't checking the thread often rather than lurking with a scum motivation. Mostly the push on Alex and Eliah. I don't think scum would make a push like that and say that two people are scum for agreeing. It would point to him if he were wrong, so chances are he believes it to be right.

Moeland is a lynch I support, but Creature I think is more likely to flip Town.

[Moleland]

Welp, i pushed my 2 biggest scumreads and reckon i've seen two others. What more do yoy want from me? 3 people aren't doing anything at all

[teamalex]

Welp, i pushed my 2 biggest scumreads and reckon i've seen two others. What more do yoy want from me? 3 people aren't doing anything at all

I didn't feel any pressure. All you said was that I'm scum because I pushed Eliah's lynch.

[teamalex]

Fight me, Moleland.

/vote Mole

[TrueGent]

I would lynch Mole before EvilD

[Moleland]

Fight me, Moleland.

/vote Mole

At least you spell my name right