9B (SP) | Spilled Drink | Game Over (Town Wins)

[PersianRugs]

Y

Is there a vigilante guilt?

Yeh, they won't shoot again.

[CJBlack44]

Y

Is there a vigilante guilt?

Yeh, they won't shoot again.

That's jailor guilt. Vigilante guilt is if they die of guilt. Unless I'm mistaken.

[PersianRugs]

Y

Is there a vigilante guilt?

Yeh, they won't shoot again.

That's jailor guilt. Vigilante guilt is if they die of guilt. Unless I'm mistaken.

It's try, look at the fm rolecards.

[ItsmeCreature]

EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.

I know you only want to talk about 1-2 people at once, so here's my question:

Do you think we'd be better served trying to pin down opinions from some of the ambiguous people (Eliah, Persian, Polyester, teamalex, Moonbird maybe), or going after the full on inactive people (the six I mentioned previously)?

Which line of inquiry will find the most scum?

Depends, there will have at least 1-2 scums trying to stay under the radar by being inactive. The same there will have scum trying to look like town without contributing too much (although, I must take a look on their ISOs).

We can get better reads from the people posting more, but we can also look at an inactive's previous games and notice if his inactivity is usual or not.

[EvilDeanius0]

Is there a vigilante guilt?

It's like Jailor's guilt in ToS, they don't die but they can't shoot again.

EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.

It also means its D1 and I'm trying to build reads on people with little to go on. There's nothing I can really add to the James fiasco other than stuff that's already been said, namely that Escort should be on him 100%, TPs and Lookouts do as you like. From what I've seen of him play, he doesn't have the ability to pull off a lie like this, so he's probably a genuine Vig, though I don't think him being scum is completely out of the question. If he's mafia I'd love to see the mafia chat when this game ends, they'll tear him to shreds.

[Elastoid]

Is there a vigilante guilt?

It's like Jailor's guilt in ToS, they don't die but they can't shoot again.

EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.

It also means its D1 and I'm trying to build reads on people with little to go on. There's nothing I can really add to the James fiasco other than stuff that's already been said, namely that Escort should be on him 100%, TPs and Lookouts do as you like. From what I've seen of him play, he doesn't have the ability to pull off a lie like this, so he's probably a genuine Vig, though I don't think him being scum is completely out of the question. If he's mafia I'd love to see the mafia chat when this game ends, they'll tear him to shreds.

If he's Vig, why wouldn't he welcome someone saying he might be Vet? It would potentially make a Witch less likely to visit him, which he should think is perfect.

Seriously, if he were Vig, would he be categorically denying being a Vet, or would he just say "If I'm Vet I won't alert day 1?" It doesn't make much sense for him to be Vig, in that context.

[ItsmeCreature]

Hello

[KingOfEvil]

Aye, who's letting D1 go on for 15 pages so far? I was under the impression N1 would begin fairly quickly, as Arc said it would once everyone confirmed. I didn't expect any hardclaims within what should have been a few pages. At least we have partial direction for night actions now, with all that's been discussed in regards to James among other topics.

After reading the thread, I had to reread why James was so adamant on desiring to shoot Elastoid N2 in the first place again. It's all because of pointing out a possible Vet bait, and Elastoid was the first to do so, but not the only one to bring it up afterwards. It makes me wonder if James would have threatened to shoot anyone to be the first to point out a Vet bait? Surely someone pointing out a Vet bait was unavoidable, unless most of us were hiveminded enough to realize what James was doing no matter what his role actually was. (Highly improbable)

It's always fun (or not) when the first two days seem to be fated and written in the stars already. Even more so when James makes it clear that Elastoid is (likely) to be shot by him on N2, as if our future is now unchangeable.

[EvilDeanius0]

Seriously, if he were Vig, would he be categorically denying being a Vet, or would he just say "If I'm Vet I won't alert day 1?" It doesn't make much sense for him to be Vig, in that context.

You're asking for sense from someone who claimed Vig D1 in a game with a Witch and a Bomber. The only reason I can see him doing it is exactly the reason he said: He doesn't want to be mislynched, and so he claimed immediately. It is an extremely stupid and kinda selfish thing to do, but he certainly seems capable of being that big of a VI. Also, if he IS vet, he's probably better off adamantly denying it now. Until he's proven one or the other, scum likely won't touch him.

[taylork2]

You're playing different, your opinion is different, and you're ignoring what you considered not long ago. If I had to make reason out why, I'd say you're a mafia member just giving my scum reading some lovetaps by focusing on why I would be scum and clearly ignoring reasoning you used not long ago in a different game that would suggest differently from now, I know you haven't forgotten it either as you brought up far more recent posts mentioning it as well.
As town in a previous game you stated reasoning for why I would be scum there that runs perpendicular to why I'd be scum here.
But, just considering you were town then, the most logical and straightforward assumption is that you're scum now.
So once again, I'm scumreading you.

You're basing a read mainly off of Meta, that's a no-no. Meta is used to contribute to arguments, not to be completely based off of.

I could bring up a post where a used "logic" on D1 of the same game, does that make me town now??

With a name like Pyro, must be arson.

Xanet, are you suggesting a Town-sided Arson? Sounds interesting actually.

Why did batman say townsided? This can be a NK slip, maybe. I have a reason to suspect batman after looking at this.

Look, if you think a person acting more "logical" in a game is a scumread, you should be playing NFM right now.

@Moonbird

I looked at Creature's ISO, the thing that bothered me that he is actually posting. The posts are mostly shitposts and sheeping on to discussion, and really, I don't know much about creature except that he's an inactive scumfuck, I may go NFM diving to see how he plays.

I'm not talking about how a moderator made a role in relation to why a person is scum, I'm talking about why a person's behavior is making them appear as scum. And if you are a town member everything you've said since then hasn't changed my opinion in the slightest, so EXPLAIN to me why your behavior has changed, rather than trying to excuse it, because giving me an excuse why something is/isn't bad isn't the same as giving me an explanation.
Spoiler: If I was a vigilante I would shoot you as quickly as possible since no one is going to take my opinion seriously right now, it's a damn shame I'm not.

[Kmenx]

I am still catching up though but first I need to make this post

He was trying to save the witch, obviously.
Also he was trying to save possible marshall/escort so he must be a confirmed townie according to your logic

One of the perks of being a vigilante (or a jailor) is that you can kill scum that the town refuses to. I'm shooting Elastoid N2 unless he claims his role today.
The key word is SCUM how did elastoid become scum again ?


Elastoid obviously. But I can't shoot him until N2.

Not gonna comment on this

Those things are exactly what make Trump a great Presidential candidate.

Racism is great
-James2 2016- (Kill me please)

On the offchance that you're a scummy town, rather than actual scum, I'll just be prevented from shooting again. Vigilantes don't die from guilt anymore
Yeah losing possible two bullets and a townie because vig is a retard is great

I ll take a look on leyva vs taylor when i arrive at home

[Varanus]

Detemmienation - Casting suspicion onto anyone can be seen as setting up grounds for a mislynch. If he's really Rhazh, nothing scummy about his posts. This is how Rhazh always acts as Town. If he's not Rhazh, he's most likely Scum.

Rhazh alt slipped literally the post right after this. Go figure.

People we should be hardcore looking at for inactivity:
mkim, KingofEvil, EvilD, Kmenx, Moleland, Jordarrian.

Given the inexperience of a lot of players here, you can expect some might make the more obvious scum blunders like being inactive. Usually I wouldn't expect an inactivity tell on someone like, say, Arc. But I'd readily believe there's scum in those six people. Particularly people who have shown willingness to post, but not willingness to say anything (EvilD, Moleland).

Kmenx always lurks, Moleland always lurks, KoE always lurks (even as TPow). Haven't played with the others, not sure what their activity level normally is.

[taylork2]

Detemmienation - Casting suspicion onto anyone can be seen as setting up grounds for a mislynch. If he's really Rhazh, nothing scummy about his posts. This is how Rhazh always acts as Town. If he's not Rhazh, he's most likely Scum.

Rhazh alt slipped literally the post right after this. Go figure.

People we should be hardcore looking at for inactivity:
mkim, KingofEvil, EvilD, Kmenx, Moleland, Jordarrian.

Given the inexperience of a lot of players here, you can expect some might make the more obvious scum blunders like being inactive. Usually I wouldn't expect an inactivity tell on someone like, say, Arc. But I'd readily believe there's scum in those six people. Particularly people who have shown willingness to post, but not willingness to say anything (EvilD, Moleland).

Kmenx always lurks, Moleland always lurks, KoE always lurks (even as TPow). Haven't played with the others, not sure what their activity level normally is.

Moleland is usually far more active than he is here, he's not the best but this is low for him.
Last time I played with KoE(when they were town) they mildly lurked, but were compiling several(5+) things in most of their posts.

I actually (more or less) agree with Elastoid on his list with the exceptions of potentially Kmenx and excluding EvilD.

[Kmenx]

Kmenx always lurks,

I almost never lurk I just don t log out from the forums when i go to school or sleep

The only game i actually lurked so far is Hydra 2 (And maybe SFM 15 after i claimed exe at let the job to the town while dealing with 8D)

And yeah i arrived at home

[Varanus]

Kmenx always lurks,

I almost never lurk I just don t log out from the forums when i go to school or sleep

The only game i actually lurked so far is Hydra 2 (And maybe SFM 15 after i claimed exe at let the job to the town while dealing with 8D)

And yeah i arrived at home

You were pretty lurky in 8D, at least up until I died.

[TrueGent]

I cant be bothered to re read the thread and I probably wont until day ends

Escort on James or you will be lynched ty

[Kmenx]

Kmenx always lurks,

I almost never lurk I just don t log out from the forums when i go to school or sleep

The only game i actually lurked so far is Hydra 2 (And maybe SFM 15 after i claimed exe at let the job to the town while dealing with 8D)

And yeah i arrived at home

You were pretty lurky in 8D, at least up until I died.

I made 220 posts in 8D more than half of them were before D4(Your death) And i am sure i couldn t lurk
at D3 where the chaotic escort claim happened

[Kmenx]

go ahead and scumread the whole game rhazh.

I do agree with the Taylork scumread though.

Gent says he reads taylor as scum
Later on after cj read taylor as scum
Taylor omgus es leyva accuses him again

Than this happens:

I have a void scum read (becuase that's the strongest read you should give), pecentages are trash.

I don't like how you omgus'd CJ, who I'm pretty sure is town, and how you've self meta'd and upon many other of reasons, read through your posts.

Interesting, then you should know my playstyle/tendencies as town better than most as you did host and apparently noticed how I played for CFM13 as town.
More self metaing it is a quick getaway from accusations to me actually (This is a %100 correct simulation of self metaing for me :Hey guys i did this exact fuck up on an another game and i was town now I must be a confirmed town Whisper ROLES now)

/vote Taylork12

Speak. Now. You're more active as town, from seeing you play from a moderator view (CFM13), and from a player view in multiple games, you usually post more.

As scum though, I'm seeing what I see right now, dodging the thread. I've seen you lurk multiple times, and when you've posted it's been useless. Your posts are trash, and you overall play right now is garbage.

I'm not OMGUSing right now, but upon comparing this to your scumread for me in CFM14, I'm scumreading you now. (Meta strikes hard here) taylor in cfm 14 leyva was a scummy and an inactive piece of sh*t that he got accused as scum on 3 confirmed townies s will so wrong meta accusation m8
You're also implying from (becuase that's the strongest read you should give) that if you didn't have this belief then I'd likely be a higher(scummier) scum read.
And if I remember correctly, you threw around the phrase "they're scum" "They are scum" and similar phrases a lot in CFM14 with few cares about how scummy a scumreading should be.
Why do you care now, but not then?
My brain can t handle this many scum word in a sentence (Really i couldn t understand this part)

You're playing different, your opinion is different, and you're ignoring what you considered not long ago. If I had to make reason out why, I'd say you're a mafia member Why mafia member specially Neutrals can go way too far with their accusatioms actually just giving my scum reading some lovetaps by focusing on why I would be scum and clearly ignoring reasoning you used not long ago in a different game that would suggest differently from now, I know you haven't forgotten it either as you brought up far more recent posts mentioning it as well.
As town in a previous game you stated reasoning for why I would be scum there that runs perpendicular to why I'd be scum here.At that game he provided that reason at D2(or D3) not at fucking DAY ONE time is the only difference
But, just considering you were town then, the most logical and straightforward assumption is that you're scum now.
So once again, I'm scumreading you.

You're basing a read mainly off of Meta, that's a no-no. Meta is used to contribute to arguments, not to be completely based off of.
You are right here leyva nothing to add

[James2]

Night plan:

Escort role block me
Marshal stay away from me
Lookout watch Elastoid, because I'm shooting him night two

[Kmenx]

Night plan:

Escort role block me
Marshal stay away from me
Lookout watch Elastoid, because I'm shooting him night two

[CJBlack44]

From taylor's posts after being scumread I can clearly say that he (she?) is a generally scummy player with a scummy behavior regardless of alignment.

While I am still scumreading him, I am scumreading him for different reasons than his last few posts, as I understand that those are pretty normal for him. I think we should factor that into our reads to be honest - though I'm not 100% clear on that, I'll try to look for some meta in other games.

Anyway, my point is that what strikes me scummy about Taylor is his lack of involvement into Town's problems so far. I'm looking forward to his future contributions on other issues day 2.

His posts, however, are another matter. I mean, I'm a noob and I can still tell that this scummy behavior is just normal behavior for him. I don't think he should be scumread based on the last few posts he made.

Taylor, if there is time before the day ends, I'd like to see some thoughts on other players from you.

[Varanus]

Would you mind not quoting him right after he posts, or spoiler it for me?

[TrueGent]

I never scumread Taylork Kmenx, hes a null read for me

James you wont be shooting Elastoid because ill be roleblocking you

[EvilDeanius0]

I never scumread Taylork Kmenx, hes a null read for me

James you wont be shooting Elastoid because ill be roleblocking you

Please tell me you didn't

[TrueGent]

Did what? ; )