ItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
Yeh, they won't shoot again.
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ItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
PersianRugs wrote:YItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
Yeh, they won't shoot again.
CJBlack44 wrote:PersianRugs wrote:YItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
Yeh, they won't shoot again.
That's jailor guilt. Vigilante guilt is if they die of guilt. Unless I'm mistaken.
Elastoid wrote:ItsmeCreature wrote:EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.
I know you only want to talk about 1-2 people at once, so here's my question:
Do you think we'd be better served trying to pin down opinions from some of the ambiguous people (Eliah, Persian, Polyester, teamalex, Moonbird maybe), or going after the full on inactive people (the six I mentioned previously)?
Which line of inquiry will find the most scum?
ItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
ItsmeCreature wrote:EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.
EvilDeanius0 wrote:ItsmeCreature wrote:Is there a vigilante guilt?
It's like Jailor's guilt in ToS, they don't die but they can't shoot again.ItsmeCreature wrote:EvilDeanius0 being inactive means he's scum.
It also means its D1 and I'm trying to build reads on people with little to go on. There's nothing I can really add to the James fiasco other than stuff that's already been said, namely that Escort should be on him 100%, TPs and Lookouts do as you like. From what I've seen of him play, he doesn't have the ability to pull off a lie like this, so he's probably a genuine Vig, though I don't think him being scum is completely out of the question. If he's mafia I'd love to see the mafia chat when this game ends, they'll tear him to shreds.
Elastoid wrote:Seriously, if he were Vig, would he be categorically denying being a Vet, or would he just say "If I'm Vet I won't alert day 1?" It doesn't make much sense for him to be Vig, in that context.
leyva45 wrote:taylork2 wrote:You're playing different, your opinion is different, and you're ignoring what you considered not long ago. If I had to make reason out why, I'd say you're a mafia member just giving my scum reading some lovetaps by focusing on why I would be scum and clearly ignoring reasoning you used not long ago in a different game that would suggest differently from now, I know you haven't forgotten it either as you brought up far more recent posts mentioning it as well.
As town in a previous game you stated reasoning for why I would be scum there that runs perpendicular to why I'd be scum here.
But, just considering you were town then, the most logical and straightforward assumption is that you're scum now.
So once again, I'm scumreading you.
You're basing a read mainly off of Meta, that's a no-no. Meta is used to contribute to arguments, not to be completely based off of.
I could bring up a post where a used "logic" on D1 of the same game, does that make me town now??leyva45 wrote:Xanet734 wrote:With a name like Pyro, must be arson.becauseimbatman wrote:Xanet, are you suggesting a Town-sided Arson?Sounds interesting actually.
Why did batman say townsided? This can be a NK slip, maybe. I have a reason to suspect batman after looking at this.
Look, if you think a person acting more "logical" in a game is a scumread, you should be playing NFM right now.
@Moonbird
I looked at Creature's ISO, the thing that bothered me that he is actually posting. The posts are mostly shitposts and sheeping on to discussion, and really, I don't know much about creature except that he's an inactive scumfuck, I may go NFM diving to see how he plays.
James2 wrote:
He was trying to save the witch, obviously.
Also he was trying to save possible marshall/escort so he must be a confirmed townie according to your logic
One of the perks of being a vigilante (or a jailor) is that you can kill scum that the town refuses to. I'm shooting Elastoid N2 unless he claims his role today.
The key word is SCUM how did elastoid become scum again ?
Elastoid obviously. But I can't shoot him until N2.
Not gonna comment on this
Those things are exactly what make Trump a great Presidential candidate.
Racism is great
-James2 2016- (Kill me please)
On the offchance that you're a scummy town, rather than actual scum, I'll just be prevented from shooting again. Vigilantes don't die from guilt anymore
Yeah losing possible two bullets and a townie because vig is a retard is great
CJBlack44 wrote:Detemmienation - Casting suspicion onto anyone can be seen as setting up grounds for a mislynch. If he's really Rhazh, nothing scummy about his posts. This is how Rhazh always acts as Town. If he's not Rhazh, he's most likely Scum.
Elastoid wrote:People we should be hardcore looking at for inactivity:
mkim, KingofEvil, EvilD, Kmenx, Moleland, Jordarrian.
Given the inexperience of a lot of players here, you can expect some might make the more obvious scum blunders like being inactive. Usually I wouldn't expect an inactivity tell on someone like, say, Arc. But I'd readily believe there's scum in those six people. Particularly people who have shown willingness to post, but not willingness to say anything (EvilD, Moleland).
Varanus wrote:CJBlack44 wrote:Detemmienation - Casting suspicion onto anyone can be seen as setting up grounds for a mislynch. If he's really Rhazh, nothing scummy about his posts. This is how Rhazh always acts as Town. If he's not Rhazh, he's most likely Scum.
Rhazh alt slipped literally the post right after this. Go figure.Elastoid wrote:People we should be hardcore looking at for inactivity:
mkim, KingofEvil, EvilD, Kmenx, Moleland, Jordarrian.
Given the inexperience of a lot of players here, you can expect some might make the more obvious scum blunders like being inactive. Usually I wouldn't expect an inactivity tell on someone like, say, Arc. But I'd readily believe there's scum in those six people. Particularly people who have shown willingness to post, but not willingness to say anything (EvilD, Moleland).
Kmenx always lurks, Moleland always lurks, KoE always lurks (even as TPow). Haven't played with the others, not sure what their activity level normally is.
Varanus wrote:Kmenx always lurks,
Kmenx wrote:Varanus wrote:Kmenx always lurks,
I almost never lurk I just don t log out from the forums when i go to school or sleep
The only game i actually lurked so far is Hydra 2 (And maybe SFM 15 after i claimed exe at let the job to the town while dealing with 8D)
And yeah i arrived at home
Varanus wrote:Kmenx wrote:Varanus wrote:Kmenx always lurks,
I almost never lurk I just don t log out from the forums when i go to school or sleep
The only game i actually lurked so far is Hydra 2 (And maybe SFM 15 after i claimed exe at let the job to the town while dealing with 8D)
And yeah i arrived at home
You were pretty lurky in 8D, at least up until I died.
leyva45 wrote:go ahead and scumread the whole game rhazh.
I do agree with the Taylork scumread though.
taylork2 wrote:leyva45 wrote:I have a void scum read (becuase that's the strongest read you should give), pecentages are trash.
I don't like how you omgus'd CJ, who I'm pretty sure is town, and how you've self meta'd and upon many other of reasons, read through your posts.
Interesting, then you should know my playstyle/tendencies as town better than most as you did host and apparently noticed how I played for CFM13 as town.
More self metaing it is a quick getaway from accusations to me actually (This is a %100 correct simulation of self metaing for me :Hey guys i did this exact fuck up on an another game and i was town now I must be a confirmed town Whisper ROLES now)leyva45 In CFM14 wrote:/vote Taylork12
Speak. Now. You're more active as town, from seeing you play from a moderator view (CFM13), and from a player view in multiple games, you usually post more.
As scum though, I'm seeing what I see right now, dodging the thread. I've seen you lurk multiple times, and when you've posted it's been useless. Your posts are trash, and you overall play right now is garbage.
I'm not OMGUSing right now, but upon comparing this to your scumread for me in CFM14, I'm scumreading you now. (Meta strikes hard here) taylor in cfm 14 leyva was a scummy and an inactive piece of sh*t that he got accused as scum on 3 confirmed townies s will so wrong meta accusation m8
You're also implying from (becuase that's the strongest read you should give) that if you didn't have this belief then I'd likely be a higher(scummier) scum read.
And if I remember correctly, you threw around the phrase "they're scum" "They are scum" and similar phrases a lot in CFM14 with few cares about how scummy a scumreading should be.
Why do you care now, but not then?
My brain can t handle this many scum word in a sentence (Really i couldn t understand this part)
leyva45 wrote:taylork2 wrote:You're playing different, your opinion is different, and you're ignoring what you considered not long ago. If I had to make reason out why, I'd say you're a mafia member Why mafia member specially Neutrals can go way too far with their accusatioms actually just giving my scum reading some lovetaps by focusing on why I would be scum and clearly ignoring reasoning you used not long ago in a different game that would suggest differently from now, I know you haven't forgotten it either as you brought up far more recent posts mentioning it as well.
As town in a previous game you stated reasoning for why I would be scum there that runs perpendicular to why I'd be scum here.At that game he provided that reason at D2(or D3) not at fucking DAY ONE time is the only difference
But, just considering you were town then, the most logical and straightforward assumption is that you're scum now.
So once again, I'm scumreading you.
You're basing a read mainly off of Meta, that's a no-no. Meta is used to contribute to arguments, not to be completely based off of.
You are right here leyva nothing to add
James2 wrote:Night plan:
Escort role block me
Marshal stay away from me
Lookout watch Elastoid, because I'm shooting him night two
TrueGent wrote:I never scumread Taylork Kmenx, hes a null read for me
James you wont be shooting Elastoid because ill be roleblocking you
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