Increasing trend in ranked to refuse to whisper roles

[Exacerbated]

Worries me.

I get that it's a gamebreaking strategy that needs to be fixed, but in ranked YOU PLAY TO WIN. If you are a competitive player, you adapt to the game as it is to attempt to counter the prevailing metagame.

That means you use the best strategies regardless of how "cheap" or "broken" they are.

There will be "cheap" and "broken" strategies that people abuse all the time. People always discover ways to "break" patch after patch, and there will always be dominant strategies due to holes in balance. The game will never be perfectly balanced, and the sooner you can accept that, the better player you will become.

I've had stubborn teammates 3 games in a row (who are town) who refuse to whisper the Mayor (or confirmed town) their roles and they get policy lynched for being dumb and singlehandedly put Town in a compromising disadvantage.

Town cohesion is essential to play towards Town's win condition as a disorganized Town will flat out lose to Mafia's deception and trickery.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

^Excellent article that everyone should read.

[Kiyosen]

Yep...just linking this because why not?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17777

But yeah...there is some kind of strategy to doing this, but if you're not doing it because you think it's cheap, then there's going to be some issues...

[PuppetStrings]

It worries me too. I know that right now it's an unfair strategy, but if you are unconfortable with it, don't play ranked. As you say, you play ranked to win. If you don't like it, play classic or custom, but don't look for sub-optimal plays just because you don't want to play like everyone or wait for the next patch to fix it.

[Exacerbated]

...and this is coming from one of the first few people to complain about the gamebreaking potential of whispering.

[Kiyosen]

...and this is coming from one of the first few people to complain about the gamebreaking potential of whispering.

I forgot the "not", whoops!

EDIT: Just to be clear, I am on your side in this, but there is a possible strategy to not telling your role to the Mayor as Town.

[Exacerbated]

...and this is coming from one of the first few people to complain about the gamebreaking potential of whispering.

I forgot the "not", whoops!

EDIT: Just to be clear, I am on your side in this, but there is a possible strategy to not telling your role to the Mayor as Town.

I wasn't being very clear, either.

My post was saying that I was of the first to complain about whispering, but that I think it's a poor mentality to abandon a strategy because it's "cheap."

[lionon]

I agree on this subject. Whispering and mayoring are a game mechanic.

However, on the other hand I refuse to read role cards when I am townie, since I consider that one cheap...

Kinda difficult to draw a line there.

[ciary]

it's a valid strategy. honestly, as long as it's possible, why not. rolecards are the same, and for those using that against me, I'm prepared!

[Deleter]

Everyone who ever plays a game that is reliant on teammates(in other words, a game in which you need your teammates' help to win) NEEDS TO READ THAT LINK ASAP.

lionon: Alright then. If you ever play with me I'll feel free to execute you as Jailor.

[lionon]

lionon: Alright then. If you ever play with me I'll feel free to execute you as Jailor.

Not if I'm a bad person. I always have to google doc open with all role cards. I just refuse to do it when I'm town.

[Deleter]

Okay, have fun dying and losing executes from jailor in 95/100 games because you're too much of scrub to do something as simple as read your rolecard.

Dicks like this ruin ranked.

[testaccount1234]

Okay, have fun dying and losing executes from jailor in 95/100 games because you're too much of scrub to do something as simple as read your rolecard.

Dicks like this ruin ranked.

This is why I don't play ranked. Having to use cheap tactics to win doesn't make the win feel worthwhile.

[Ansem555]

Okay, have fun dying and losing executes from jailor in 95/100 games because you're too much of scrub to do something as simple as read your rolecard.

Dicks like this ruin ranked.

And it's dicks like you that made others not want to read role cards due to behavior, besides the fact that it's metagaming and frowned upon (on top of going to be made invalid when the Devs put all the cards in the game anyway). Funny how this works, isn't it?

EDIT: To be on-topic, I find the irony astounding that people found a problem with whispers, and now that people are reacting to that perceived problem by refusing to use it the new problem is that whispering is being ignored.

[Deleter]

Okay, have fun dying and losing executes from jailor in 95/100 games because you're too much of scrub to do something as simple as read your rolecard.

Dicks like this ruin ranked.

This is why I don't play ranked. Having to use cheap tactics to win doesn't make the win feel worthwhile.

Gonna quote from the OP.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

going to be made invalid

1) Although the reading of role cards is not proof of innocence, refusal to read role cards is seen by me to be proof of guilt. And many mafia players still don't know or forget to have the roles tab open. If it's going to be fixed soon, then I'd rather exploit it while it lasts.

2) Asking repeated questions, including firing off a series of questions like "role? will? results? role card? suspicions?" usually puts a jailed target on the back foot and will make him struggle to answer all my questions(thus forcing him to basically regurgitate all the information he has) or for a mafioso will usually deprive him of time to think up lies(this is why I suggest you constantly keep and keep track of a "cover story", including claimed role and results, that you can use when accused/jailed).

frowned upon

If it's legal(not reportable), I say do it.

[watchme1]

Well...

People always complain "It's not part of the game..."

Well if the game has whispers... USE THEM!

Lynched like 3 townies cause they refused to give their roles.... (non-ranked).

Well if some people don't whisper (mainly maf) most people won't follow this trend.

[Exacerbated]

There's a substantial difference between Role Card reading and Mayor Whispering.

The Former can be countered by pulling up the wiki and is extremely ineffective. The latter is a gamebreaking, strictly-dominant strategy that results in majority Town wins.

I'm not sure it's logically appropriate to compare the two.