Should we remove the Spy's ability to see Mafia chat?

[FlamingTown]

Fact is that the spy being able to read the mafia chat isn't a disadvantage, it actually is helpful to the mafia.
It always depends on the players on how they use this. Removing it would harm the mafia more than do good, but that is just my opinion.

[mkop]

no

[SanTine]

No

[andrew1234gartree]

personally i think that at the beginning of the game, you should be able to choose 1 mafia member to listen to( you will not see the name, it will just say mafia 1, mafia 2, mafia 3) for the entire game

[Spectre0]

Poorly designed poll.

It doesn't allow re-voting. There's no way hat every single person will keep the same opinion after at least hearing the arguments from the other side

It relies on the majority. The majority of TOS players can be kind of stupid. I'm sorry, but it's true. For example, take a random role from the "Role Ideas" thread. Odds are, it's crap. Hell, odds are it's "Firefighter"

It doesn't inform the voters. I'm 90% sure that most of the "no" voters don't even know why people WANT the role changed.

[ImHereJustCuz]

No, but the spy should be able to talk to other "special town folks" and transmit the information he finds.

[sickdoggo]

no

[buster3151]

No, and the main reason behind this is because spy is one of the most skill based town roles having the ability to lead the town to victory. Consider it a powerful role don't make one of it's major advantages removed.

[PrincessBatman09]

Of course not. I think that mafia should have something maybe to block the mafia chat, like if blackmailer bm's the spy they can't see the chat. That whole point of spy is to see whispers, what mafia does, and mafia chat.

[Spectre0]

No, and the main reason behind this is because spy is one of the most skill based town roles having the ability to lead the town to victory. Consider it a powerful role don't make one of it's major advantages removed.

"It's a powerful role. Don't nerf it"

Yep, proving the point in my earlier comment.

[SawtoothMocha93]

No - I like it

[amagnificentvoid]

Yes, you should. 100%. Spy being able to see mafia chat makes it so mafia can't coordinate nor talk about what to do or what they have learned. Removing it would likely up their win rate a bit, which is needed. Please allow a revote, a lot of us didn't get the chance to vote.

[starru]

I don't think you should, because it would leave the spy only able to see whispers, and the Mafia never whisper in the main game because of spies and being accused of things. It would leave spy useless.

[ctc2111]

no

[Talesin]

No.

However i would like to change it so that spies can't see framers.

[Sweekoon]

The fact that spy exists means that the mafia can't communicate. You can't plan maf strategy N1 because it might exist.

It's too detrimental to the metagame. Remove it.

[BIMBOMONGUS]

Personally, i think the spy is a very rare role (in classic at least) and i that because of its frequency in game, it is a balanced role that can gain valuable information while not knowing everything such as transported targets etc.

[Sm3lly]

well... atm on ranked mafia is able to communicate without giving informations anyway. Janitor -> spamming roles. Consig -> spamming roles. No Consig -> spamming roles to fake.
You can ping on players instead saying their names. I would say, it´s neither a buff nor a fix on higher level. It´s just more comfortable to speak as maf if you remove it. So:
- if you are annoyed by speaking carefully, u should push the "Yes-Button".
- if you like to speak carefully, u should push the "No-Button":
- if you don´t care, don´t vote at all.

(that has nothing to do with that Thread)
What i would like to see to balance the game, is adding more RM roles. A Mafia Transporter f.e. .He forbids the Trans to be just confirmed by transporting.
A mafia Lookout would be fun too to find Doctors or Bodyguards and visitor roles at all.

And the most important: Retri should be able to revive a dead disguiser who disguised. I mean Retri doesn´t know if he is town or not. That would fix the Retri role a bit who is totally overpowered.
"I am Retri, he was disguiser, i couldn´t revive him". Just give him the risk to revive a Disguiser, so rezzed guys are only to 90% confirmed, not 100%.

What do u think about these changes?

[Hauughenbury20]

No seeing the chat is very helpful and if you take that away they cant do very much .

[stevepwn123]

NO this is the dumbest shit ever like you couldve made a poll about taking away the godfathers ability to kill like this shit is absolutely stupid lmfao. thats the whole point of the spy im making 10 accounts just to vote no.

[KingPoco33]

No

[WarfareNinja21]

No

[Impura]

If the point is remove thie hability to see the mafia chat then is better remore the role for once

[maezm]

Sigh... removing the Mafia chat for starters is something I totally support. The ability itself is useless in most cases anyways, and passively (even when there isn't confirmed to be a spy ingame, but the idea of it existing) hurts mafia. Spy doesn't really get much info from mafia chat, simply because mafia knows that spies could always listen (again, this role affects games even when it's not in the rolelist), so that doesn't really help neither Mafia nor the Spy. Of course more experienced mafia found counters for outing invested/cleaned roles, but it doesn't feel enough. Also if you say that you also care about the noob playerbase, then this change would also benefit them, especially for those who don't even know about the existance of the strats that allow the other mafia to find out janitors' and consig's targets. It will also improve teamwork and make mafia actually speak up why they should/shouldn't attack/visit a certain target and reason with their teammates better. What Spy's mafia chat reading does best? Discourage active, offensive, strategical and based on teamwork gameplay (also it does that even when it's not in the game).

I really want to see a logic answer from people who voted NO.

[sorosche]

I would add the interaction between the two. Spy sees mafia as 'Mafia', and mafia see spy as 'Spy', they wouldn't know each other's names but they could talk at night.