Witch is not NE

[kamineko16]

Hi, I have just one question. Why the witch is part of the NE? She is not Neutral Evil in any way, she is pure evil.
What is evil in Salem? A role that can't win with anybody but only evil roles, like the mafia, Arsonist, SK, WW, etc
The witch can't win with the town, like Jester or exe, so why she is in the NE if she is not even Neutral, and just can't be Neutral?

[Ezradekezra]

Neutral means that the role is not a part of any of the factions (Town, Mafia, or Coven). The Witch isn't a part of any of these factions, so it's categorized as a neutral role.

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Hi, I have just one question. Why the witch is part of the NE? She is not Neutral Evil in any way, she is pure evil.

Neutral = Not part of the Town or Mafia.

What is evil in Salem? A role that can't win with anybody but only evil roles, like the mafia, Arsonist, SK, WW, etc

“Evil” is considered anything that is not part of the Town or Neutral Benign. This includes the Mafia, Neutral Killings, Neutral Evils, and Neutral Chaos.

The witch can't win with the town, like Jester or exe, so why she is in the NE if she is not even Neutral, and just can't be Neutral?

1. That’s not a thing.
2. The Witch is Evil because she directly hinders the Town in a way other than killing them, as with other Neutral Evils.
3. The Jester and Executioner have win conditions that allow them to win before the game ends. This allows them to side with whoever they want to after they have achieved their win. The Witch, however, cannot do this. She has to see to it that the Town loses while she is alive, meaning the Mafia or a Neutral Killing must win instead.

[kamineko16]

Neutral means that the role is not a part of any of the factions (Town, Mafia, or Coven). The Witch isn't a part of any of these factions, so it's categorized as a neutral role.

Okay, so if she not a part of any faction why she can't win by herself?
The witch is the ONLY role which is NE that can't win by herself, actually she kind of can, but to do it she needs a living TK, which limits her very much.

Witch in 95% of the games side with the mafia because they are four, and she needs as many evils as possible to win. I think Neutrals should be able to win by themselves, and not be limited to parasite on the neck of evil roles.

[Brilliand]

Witch definitely doesn't belong in the same category with Jester/Executioner. There is some disagreement as to whether the Witch should be moved out (like the Coven expansion did), or Jester/Executioner should be moved to Neutral Chaos.

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Okay, so if she not a part of any faction why she can't win by herself?
The witch is the ONLY role which is NE that can't win by herself, actually she kind of can, but to do it she needs a living TK, which limits her very much.

Jester and Executioner can only win by themself in the case of a Draw by Wipeout.

Witch in 95% of the games side with the mafia because they are four, and she needs as many evils as possible to win. I think Neutrals should be able to win by themselves, and not be limited to parasite on the neck of evil roles.

I also believe this. However, this would require Witch to be reworked so they have a killing ability, or rework their win condition so they can win before the game ends.

[CheezePie]

Doesn't the witch win if it's the last one standing?
It can also side with the NK. It can fuck with the town in quite a few ways.
It's a fun role. It's NE and doesn't need any changes.

[Flavorable]

Doesn't the witch win if it's the last one standing?
It can also side with the NK. It can fuck with the town in quite a few ways.
It's a fun role. It's NE and doesn't need any changes.

Yes. She does win when she's the last one standing.

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Doesn't the witch win if it's the last one standing?
It can also side with the NK. It can fuck with the town in quite a few ways.
It's a fun role. It's NE and doesn't need any changes.

Yes. She does win when she's the last one standing.

Because the Town drew, not win. So she won. And since she won, they lost. And since they lost, she won. And she won.

[Joacgroso]

It's a fun role. It's NE and doesn't need any changes.

I do think witches need changes. They shouldn't have basic defense against vigilantes, but they should be able to know wheter they are doused or not so they are more likely to side with arsonists.

By the way, can witches win if the game ends in a draw by timeout? What if they are the only non town alive and they somehow make it?

[Flavorable]

It's a fun role. It's NE and doesn't need any changes.

I do think witches need changes. They shouldn't have basic defense against vigilantes, but they should be able to know wheter they are doused or not so they are more likely to side with arsonists.

By the way, can witches win if the game ends in a draw by timeout? What if they are the only non town alive and they somehow make it?

The Witch's endgoal is to survive to watch town lose. If there is still town alive, they don't lose and thus the Witch does not win.

[Joacgroso]

Does the game end in a draw+witch loss or in a town win?

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Does the game end in a draw+witch loss or in a town win?

Draw + Witch loss

[Brilliand]

Isn't it a "pure draw", as in Witch gets a draw as well?

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Isn't it a "pure draw", as in Witch gets a draw as well?

I don’t think any Neutral other than Killing can draw. They either preform their win con, or don’t. It doesn’t conflict with other factions like NK, Mafia, and Town.

[kyuss420]

witch is nuetral cos it can side with any evil faction it chooses.

Witch can solo win, if she plays the town right, have done it many times.

Witch cant draw... if any town is alive, she loses. A draw isnt a loss, so town havent lost if they draw... If all town is dead, witch wins if shes alive at endgame.
if it draws because everyone is dead, witch loses because theyre dead.

[dolphina]

witch is nuetral cos it can side with any evil faction it chooses.

Witch can solo win, if she plays the town right, have done it many times.

Witch cant draw... if any town is alive, she loses. A draw isnt a loss, so town havent lost if they draw... If all town is dead, witch wins if shes alive at endgame.
if it draws because everyone is dead, witch loses because theyre dead.

this.