Please stop making every role op

[OxbowSnake25]

Developers why you taking a step back and making every role over powered.

Making roles Over powered ruins the fun! not make it fun, so please change them back to normal what was wrong with the old roles abilities

[KAKERMAN23]

I'm assuming you're talking about the recent NK buffs.

(in ranked, which is what the game is balanced around), NK was super hard, seeing that you had a very limited amount of kills each night and you couldn't win if dead. Now, it's still hard to get wins as NK, but it's less so, because of these new abilities. I think they're pretty decent.
That's as far as I know, I'm probably wrong tho

[OxbowSnake25]

Look, I completely get that! but i dont play ranked, i play classic, because its the only good gamemode.

I just dont see why you need to change sk, lookout, doctor, retributionist when you make them too over powered for classic.

i dont mind the abilities, but can you please leave the old abilities on classic, so its not boring.

[dolphina]

Dude, that's the point of updating the fucking game. I'm gonna say it. Classic is the baby gamemode for people who don't know how to play the game right. Do you even know about the Jailor meta?

[OxbowSnake25]

erm no classic is where everyone goes to have fun not to learn

[ScarfVendetta]

Look, I completely get that! but i dont play ranked, i play classic, because its the only good gamemode.

I just dont see why you need to change sk, lookout, doctor, retributionist when you make them too over powered for classic.

i dont mind the abilities, but can you please leave the old abilities on classic, so its not boring.

Classic is not the main focus for balancing the game. It's designed as a starter gamemode to help new players to learn the mechanics.


None of your examples make any sense either, in the context of Classic:
- Retributionist was nerfed by the recent rework, not buffed. The new Retributionist is very useful but in no way overpowered.
- Doctor wasn't inherently buffed or nerfed. The notification change helps roles with Basic Defense more leeway to claim that they were healed.
- Lookout was nerfed to reduce it's strength in Ranked. In Classic, you don't get large stacks of Town roles on a single target, so this change won't impact you.
- Serial Killer will be stronger in Classic with it's greater resistance to role blockers, but the Classic rolelist is extremely Town-sided anyway. This is not a bad thing.

If you disagree with this then please provide some reasoning why these changes are bad.

[OxbowSnake25]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

[ScarfVendetta]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

The in-game description describes Classic as "a game mode usually for beginners". The small variety of roles and the very fixed role-list makes it suitable for new players to learn the mechanics. Major balance changes are primarily aimed at balancing more competitive gamemodes, although this isn't to say that Classic is unimportant.

You have not provided any facts as to why you feel these changes are unsuitable for Classic, either.

[dolphina]

Ok, I'ma ditch. Someone else deal with this dude, I'm not wasting my time arguing with fools

[OxbowSnake25]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

The in-game description describes Classic as "a game mode usually for beginners". The small variety of roles and the very fixed role-list makes it suitable for new players to learn the mechanics. Major balance changes are primarily aimed at balancing more competitive gamemodes, although this isn't to say that Classic is unimportant.

You have not provided any facts as to why you feel these changes are unsuitable for Classic, either.

1. Yes it says that, but does anyone play it because of that, no they play it because its better than custom,ranked,and all the damn rest. 99% of people play it not because their beginners

doctor - when you attack someone healed by doctor, you never had the immune message, why the fuck add that. you basically making it impossible to find immune people. like sk godfather executioner.
Serial killer - killing escort and the intended target is over powered. escort is supposed to roleblock, the old ability made way more sense for sk, where they only killed the escort, and making the will all bloody ruins the point in trying to find sk.
retributionist - it was better to ressurrect than be able to use abilities from the dead people you raise from the dead which not you dont even do.
Lookout - i perfer the new abilities.

but i dont play coven because noone plays it unless its free

If you have buffed all the roles i liked being buff up medium, as its shit, everyone still damn leaves

id play the other gamemodes but nearly everyone there random lynch/vetbait/random shoot and execute. where on classic they dont do much of that

[dolphina]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

The in-game description describes Classic as "a game mode usually for beginners". The small variety of roles and the very fixed role-list makes it suitable for new players to learn the mechanics. Major balance changes are primarily aimed at balancing more competitive gamemodes, although this isn't to say that Classic is unimportant.

You have not provided any facts as to why you feel these changes are unsuitable for Classic, either.

1. Yes it says that, but does anyone play it because of that, no they play it because its better than custom,ranked,and all the damn rest. 99% of people play it not because their beginners

doctor - when you attack someone healed by doctor, you never had the immune message, why the fuck add that. you basically making it impossible to find immune people. like sk godfather executioner.
Serial killer - killing escort and the intended target is over powered. escort is supposed to roleblock, the old ability made way more sense for sk, where they only killed the escort, and making the will all bloody ruins the point in trying to find sk.
retributionist - it was better to ressurrect than be able to use abilities from the dead people you raise from the dead which not you dont even do.
Lookout - i perfer the new abilities.

but i dont play coven because noone plays it unless its free

If you have buffed all the roles i liked being buff up medium, as its shit, everyone still damn leaves

id play the other gamemodes but nearly everyone there random lynch/vetbait/random shoot and execute. where on classic they dont do much of that

In classic they lynch Jailor claims with no cces

[Brilliand]

When everyone is overpowered, no one will be.

[dolphina]

When everyone is overpowered, no one will be.

Syndrome rip-off

[Brilliand]

When everyone is overpowered, no one will be.

Syndrome rip-off

It's a reference! Reference! Not a rip-off!

[dolphina]

When everyone is overpowered, no one will be.

Syndrome rip-off

It's a reference! Reference! Not a rip-off!

Whatever, Brilli-sand. It's all the same to me.

[Brilliand]

Whatever, Brilli-sand. It's all the same to me.

I was also making an actual point, so if you would stop derailing the thread by mocking me, that'd be great.

[dolphina]

Whatever, Brilli-sand. It's all the same to me.

I was also making an actual point, so if you would stop derailing the thread by mocking me, that'd be great.

Ok then

[kyuss420]

c'mon guys, the dudes spent 5 years playing 1500 odd games of classic. He knows what hes talkin bout

[OxbowSnake25]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

The in-game description describes Classic as "a game mode usually for beginners". The small variety of roles and the very fixed role-list makes it suitable for new players to learn the mechanics. Major balance changes are primarily aimed at balancing more competitive gamemodes, although this isn't to say that Classic is unimportant.

You have not provided any facts as to why you feel these changes are unsuitable for Classic, either.

1. Yes it says that, but does anyone play it because of that, no they play it because its better than custom,ranked,and all the damn rest. 99% of people play it not because their beginners

doctor - when you attack someone healed by doctor, you never had the immune message, why the fuck add that. you basically making it impossible to find immune people. like sk godfather executioner.
Serial killer - killing escort and the intended target is over powered. escort is supposed to roleblock, the old ability made way more sense for sk, where they only killed the escort, and making the will all bloody ruins the point in trying to find sk.
retributionist - it was better to ressurrect than be able to use abilities from the dead people you raise from the dead which not you dont even do.
Lookout - i perfer the new abilities.

but i dont play coven because noone plays it unless its free

If you have buffed all the roles i liked being buff up medium, as its shit, everyone still damn leaves

id play the other gamemodes but nearly everyone there random lynch/vetbait/random shoot and execute. where on classic they dont do much of that

In classic they lynch Jailor claims with no cces

No they dont, you obviously dont play classic because that never happens.

[dolphina]

did you not listen
classic is not for learning as its the only good gamemode you want learn session go on something else. classic is not for learning videos. now stop ignoring my facts

The in-game description describes Classic as "a game mode usually for beginners". The small variety of roles and the very fixed role-list makes it suitable for new players to learn the mechanics. Major balance changes are primarily aimed at balancing more competitive gamemodes, although this isn't to say that Classic is unimportant.

You have not provided any facts as to why you feel these changes are unsuitable for Classic, either.

1. Yes it says that, but does anyone play it because of that, no they play it because its better than custom,ranked,and all the damn rest. 99% of people play it not because their beginners

doctor - when you attack someone healed by doctor, you never had the immune message, why the fuck add that. you basically making it impossible to find immune people. like sk godfather executioner.
Serial killer - killing escort and the intended target is over powered. escort is supposed to roleblock, the old ability made way more sense for sk, where they only killed the escort, and making the will all bloody ruins the point in trying to find sk.
retributionist - it was better to ressurrect than be able to use abilities from the dead people you raise from the dead which not you dont even do.
Lookout - i perfer the new abilities.

but i dont play coven because noone plays it unless its free

If you have buffed all the roles i liked being buff up medium, as its shit, everyone still damn leaves

id play the other gamemodes but nearly everyone there random lynch/vetbait/random shoot and execute. where on classic they dont do much of that

In classic they lynch Jailor claims with no cces

No they dont, you obviously dont play classic because that never happens.

I've got experience

[CrimsonKatana]

If you're thinking about if every player is playing flawlessly in the ranked role list the game was much more balanced pre NK buffs and like I know what flawless gameplay is like

[dolphina]

Also I just fucking realized your pfp is Kyoko in a ToS hat. Jesus fucking Christ, +1 respect.

[OxbowSnake25]

im done with this,

im talking about roles not gamemodes

i just dont see how hard it is just add new roles instead of updating the current ones. sure more roles to keep an eye on

but that is better than making every damn role over powered for classic.

[dolphina]

You're the one who brought up the gamemodes conversation in the first place...?

[OxbowSnake25]

yes but only the classic conversation you were started the others