Ezradekezra wrote:Wasn't the ability to see whispers and the Mafia chat removed years ago?
MafiaForever wrote:Spy is both the most infuriating role to deal with while simultaneously being the most boring and annoying role to play.
Not only is it overpowered as hell when left alive but at the same time it is so tedious and boring to play as well as being annoying due to the fact that if you claim day 1, everyone will kill you and if you don't claim day 1, you will be lynched immediately once you reveal late game.
No reason to claim D1 as Spy. If there's no kills any night, that's when you reveal who the Mafia visited. You can also reveal when the information is actually useful, like finding out if a Transporter claim is actually a Hypnotist, etc.
The role requires you to write a crazy long will too which takes a lot of work, it's tedious as hell to play as for this reason and it sucks even moreso when the town are too stupid to bother reading what you spent ages writing.
The will really isn't that hard to write unless you get a bugging result AND Mafia visits, but usually I just write something like "N1: Bugging 10(target attacked by mafia. MV: 10, 2, 3). Town ALWAYS asks for Spies whenever there's no kill as you can out the people who have defense.
The silly thing is that it's stupidly OP. Mafia can't talk, they daren't talk because of the fear of being spied on, which defeats the purpose of having mafia chat at night. If they say anything, it could ruin the whole game for maf, if the spy is alive that is. Even if the spy is dead, there could be another random who is also spy so there is never any talking in mafia chat.
This has already been responded to, but yeah, Spy hasn't been able to hear Mafia chat in years. It's still OP in the way it can immediately out a Disguiser and then narrow the 4 visits down to find who's Mafia, and how they can also almost immediately find out if any other Mafia role exists. You can out a Consigliere if they claim Invest, you can out a Consort if they claim Escort(although it's stupid as hell for one of them to claim it, but you find out there's a consort nonetheless), you can out a Hypnotist if they claim Transporter, etc.
Everyone always listens to sherrif, investigator and jailors, completely ignoring spy's which is crazy to me but they do. Spy's are like mediums but far worse since everybody is out to get them, the town will lynch them immediately upon revealing and if they reveal day 1... yeah like I said before they get killed quickly.
Like I said earlier, people don't ignore Spies. Town usually asks at the start of the day "Spies post" or "Spies?" when there's no kill, and otherwise you can simply say "so and so has defense, they were visited by Mafia and there were no kills." Or, "so and so is consort, they claimed escort but the person they rbd was visited by mafia." It isn't that hard to get Town's attention, you can do more than just post your results.
It's a role that really has no place in this game and ruins the fun of playing mafia whilst also being a role that isn't fun to play at all and is a tedious ordeal.
IMO it's more fun than a lot of other roles in this game but it does need a rework; simply getting the visits of all the Mafia passively requires no skill and immediately can out Mafia members or roles with defense. I don't see why it doesn't have a place though, it can be super useful and the TG has a rework that's still viable but requires more skill.
If you get spy role, it's best to just quit the game just to save yourself the trouble... unless you're playing ranked and if you are... good luck, you'll need it.
Spy is at its best in Ranked. Who would want to quit as a Spy over a role like Framer? I agree that it's annoying as hell to play AGAINST but playing as the role itself can be fun, at least in my opinion.
SizzleShot wrote:this is a troll post, idk why you guys are responding to it seriously lol
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Ezradekezra wrote:Alternate suggestion: Make Spy Coven-exclusive
The Coven doesn't really rely on deception as much as the Mafia does, so seeing Coven visits isn't as overpowered.
Additionally, Mafia Returns is completely dead and CAA isn't intended to be balanced, so leaving Spy in those modes shouldn't be much of an issue.
Ezradekezra wrote:Alternate suggestion: Make Spy Coven-exclusive
The Coven doesn't really rely on deception as much as the Mafia does, so seeing Coven visits isn't as overpowered.
Additionally, Mafia Returns is completely dead and CAA isn't intended to be balanced, so leaving Spy in those modes shouldn't be much of an issue.
kyuss420 wrote:except when goose is spy, and picks off the CL day 3 after the potion master healed them n2.... (CLs visit is either stoned, or claimed controlled, medusa doesnt have a visit, usually gives you a 50/50 on who the CL is, via the PMs visit and whoever the RC visited - unless they claim poisoned, or its a necro game, then you got a 100/100 on who the CL is)
or sees the necromancer visit a dead guy, exposing the RC as necro, so sheriffs n2 ''sus'' guy cant have been hexed....
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Joacgroso wrote:kyuss420 wrote:except when goose is spy, and picks off the CL day 3 after the potion master healed them n2.... (CLs visit is either stoned, or claimed controlled, medusa doesnt have a visit, usually gives you a 50/50 on who the CL is, via the PMs visit and whoever the RC visited - unless they claim poisoned, or its a necro game, then you got a 100/100 on who the CL is)
or sees the necromancer visit a dead guy, exposing the RC as necro, so sheriffs n2 ''sus'' guy cant have been hexed....
How can you know that a PM won't use the reveal potion on night 2?
orangeandblack5 wrote:Bruh
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Kirize12 wrote:is it really a necrobump if the post didnt leave the page
Joacgroso wrote:Is this thread really from 2021?
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
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