Intercessor (Town Protective) (New poll!)

[DragonClaw66]

Name it an intercessor. Since that is the biblical word for someone who prays for other people.

Agreed


Um paladin has nothing to do with praying how TF does it fit!!!????!!!


I'm sorry but I would hate to see this role in the game with that name

The name is the easiest thing to change. If this role were to be added, the developers can choose a name that they prefer.

True. That is what happened with the Drug Dealer AKA the Hypnotist.

[ImposterK]

Why are we letting this die?

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[ImposterK]

Intercessor is an awesome name.

I have added a poll to possibly change the name.

[Soulshade55r]

1 problem it sounds pretty useless.
It can protect one person from one other person while doc, bg, crus, trapper can protect there target from all people sounds terrible, and it's slow like the trapper wtf?
The only good thing is that if you die you can use your night action

[ImposterK]

1 problem it sounds pretty useless.
It can protect one person from one other person while doc, bg, crus, trapper can protect there target from all people sounds terrible, and it's slow like the trapper wtf?
The only good thing is that if you die you can use your night action

Earlier on its more weak, but if you figure out who a killer is, you can protect multiple people at once. It's also not as slow as the Trapper.

[Mystoc]

1 problem it sounds pretty useless.
It can protect one person from one other person while doc, bg, crus, trapper can protect there target from all people sounds terrible, and it's slow like the trapper wtf?
The only good thing is that if you die you can use your night action

you misread like 80% of the role

it lasts forever not just the night you use it, you cant use it while dead existing uses of the ability will stay in effect if you die

[Mystoc]

1 problem it sounds pretty useless.
It can protect one person from one other person while doc, bg, crus, trapper can protect there target from all people sounds terrible, and it's slow like the trapper wtf?
The only good thing is that if you die you can use your night action

you misread like 80% of the role

it lasts forever not just the night you use it, you cant use it while dead existing uses of the ability will stay in effect if you die

trappers trap can be triggered by town will this is can only be triggered by the person you want to trigger it

maybe call it divine intervention? instead of it, or intervention

[Soulshade55r]

I did not missread it...
I worded the last part wrong and I was saying how underpowerd it was. Protecting someone from one person thats going to be great help.

[ImposterK]

I did not missread it...
I worded the last part wrong and I was saying how underpowerd it was. Protecting someone from one person thats going to be great help.

Like I said earlier, over time you will be protecting multiple people. If you know that someone is a killer, you can protect multiple people from them.

[Soulshade55r]

I did not missread it...
I worded the last part wrong and I was saying how underpowerd it was. Protecting someone from one person thats going to be great help.

Like I said earlier, over time you will be protecting multiple people. If you know that someone is a killer, you can protect multiple people from them.

Sounds decent, still not good has a normal Tp, but I'm sorry for not reading correctly -_-

[BS4125]

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[Mystoc]

this role might be a bit buffable maybe remove the prayer taking a night to take effect and make it instant instead i dont know how OP that would be though its really hard to balance a role that hasn't been play tested yet


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-If your first target tries to visit your second target, they will be stopped by God, roleblocking them.

i feel like it should be the other way around

you pray for the safety of someone (first target) from someone else (second target)

i feel like first target should be one you pray safety for since there are the focus of the skill they should be first

[ImposterK]

this role might be a bit buffable maybe remove the prayer taking a night to take effect and make it instant instead i dont know how OP that would be though its really hard to balance a role that hasn't been play tested yet


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-If your first target tries to visit your second target, they will be stopped by God, roleblocking them.

i feel like it should be the other way around

you pray for the safety of someone (first target) from someone else (second target)

I feel like first target should be one you pray safety for since there are the focus of the skill they should be first

Thanks, I've changed it.

[Mystoc]

name of this role is basically the lore of this role summary

Intercessor - a person who intervenes on behalf of another, especially by prayer.

i mean i can try

shortest

You are a devout servant of god who prays for the safety of others

a lil more detailed


You are a devout servant of god who prays for the safety of others from misfortune

if you want even more detail

You are a devout servant of god who prays for the safety of your people from others who would mean them harm.

or

You are a devout servant of god who prays for the safety of your congregation from others who would (mean/do) them harm.

mean/do is interchangeable pick which one u like best

i hope that was helpful

also maybe use a make a different term instead of role block that way you don't need to clarify roleblock immunes are not immune it

stop or divine intervention like they feel like just head home suddenly lore wise and stop what they are we're gonna do

it really isn't a roleblock it's more like i just just stops that vistor cause if they visited someone else they wouldn't of have been stopped if they visited someone else

[ImposterK]

You are a devout servant of god who prays for the safety of others

I like this one the most, I appreciate your help.

also maybe use a make a different term instead of role block that way you don't need to clarify roleblock immunes are not immune it

stop or divine intervention like they feel like just head home suddenly lore wise and stop what they are we're gonna do

it really isn't a roleblock it's more like i just just stops that vistor cause if they visited someone else they wouldn't of have been stopped if they visited someone else

The "Ignores Roleblock Immunity" is a Special Attribute but I added it to the Attribute section. (Its not going to be on the rolecard.) Also, your target is going to get the message saying that they were role blocked.

[Mystoc]

could also replace servant with disciple instead whatever you think sounds better

other then that the role looks very good and i think its TG ready it's a very simply worded role and easy to understand

[BS4125]

It’s an alright role, may be on the weak side but can be fixed.

This role should be Town Support as its primary objective is not to protect from kills but from anything, it does the same amount of protection as Escort in a sense. If taking into consideration the TS split into Town Scout And Town Tactical, this will be Town Tactical easily

Also, remove the waits and the “3rd night it needs to rest” stuff, it’s unneeded, overly complex and is there just to be there

[ImposterK]

Also, remove the waits and the “3rd night it needs to rest” stuff, it’s unneeded, overly complex and is there just to be there

This was added to help balance. Instead of using your ability 3/3 nights, you use your ability 2/3 nights. Do you think its still weak, even after I removed
-"It takes 1 night for your prayer to take effect."?

[Mystoc]

It’s an alright role, may be on the weak side but can be fixed.

This role should be Town Support as its primary objective is not to protect from kills but from anything, it does the same amount of protection as Escort in a sense. If taking into consideration the TS split into Town Scout And Town Tactical, this will be Town Tactical easily

Also, remove the waits and the “3rd night it needs to rest” stuff, it’s unneeded, overly complex and is there just to be there

its protections build up over time though escort doesn't do that the prayer lasts more than the one night they are made it's more comparable to trapper then escort, also prayers stay active even after the intercessor's death

should definately be town protective

crusader stops visits that aren't attacks and its town protective (but yea crusader is a bad role but it's in the game anyway that's not helping this role mentioning it )

[theyellowgreninja]

I think this is a really cool concept, but I will say that it is comparable to escort, and can be considered too similar to it, in some ways (Escort/Consort are the only roles that can stop other roles' effects from happening, after all), but It's very nicely made. I support, but could possible maybe be pushed away from escort (However I can't think of how you could go about doing that). TP does fit, this role is sort of Escort the Persistent TP, if that makes sense.

[Mystoc]

I think this is a really cool concept, but I will say that it is comparable to escort, and can be considered too similar to it, in some ways (Escort/Consort are the only roles that can stop other roles' effects from happening, after all), but It's very nicely made. I support, but could possible maybe be pushed away from escort (However I can't think of how you could go about doing that). TP does fit, this role is sort of Escort the Persistent TP, if that makes sense.

escort is stop a person from doing any action to anyone for that one night only

this role is stop a person (including roleblock immune visiting roles) from doing any action but only to a specific person but lasts forever

the ability can also not be used as often as escort, they are sorta comparable but have different uses

you could argue it's similar to escort so should be support but i think it would be way to powerful as support because it would allow other TP to appear in a game where this role already basically protects people town would end up being extremely safe from attacks

[ParaYumi]

I rather like this role idea.

[ProfessorArceus]

Just going to paste what I said about it in Discord earlier.

INTERCESSOR


Seems like a Town Nightmarer which could be a fun idea. I have a few problems though:

-Its protective ability's drawback/cooldown isn't significant;

-The chances of praying on three consecutive nights is low, as doing it randomly would harm Town more often than scum. This is because of the Town majority.
-It only causes a problem when it needs its ability. Since it can harm Town relatively often, it shouldn't need to use its ability that often and the chanced of this are incredibly rare.


-Its protective ability is quite underpowered compared to others in its catergory;

-Mostly because this only protects one person from one player, this role has little-to-no function as a protective. You must predict both the killer and the target which is much harder than merely protecting the target.
-Even when it does protect its target, it is not any more significant than roles like the Doctor and Bodyguard - it just roleblocks them once and it is gone.

I think my main point is that it's extremely weak as a Town Protective.

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It’s an alright role, may be on the weak side but can be fixed.

This role should be Town Support as its primary objective is not to protect from kills but from anything, it does the same amount of protection as Escort in a sense. If taking into consideration the TS split into Town Scout And Town Tactical, this will be Town Tactical easily

Also, remove the waits and the “3rd night it needs to rest” stuff, it’s unneeded, overly complex and is there just to be there

its protections build up over time though escort doesn't do that the prayer lasts more than the one night they are made it's more comparable to trapper then escort, also prayers stay active even after the intercessor's death

should definately be town protective

crusader stops visits that aren't attacks and its town protective (but yea crusader is a bad role but it's in the game anyway that's not helping this role mentioning it )

I have to agree with BS on this one. It gets stronger as it goes on, yes, but it wears off after one visit. Escort gets stronger as the game goes on, too, as there's a higher chance of roleblocking a killer when there are less living players ingame.

[ImposterK]

-Its protective ability's drawback/cooldown isn't significant;

-The chances of praying on three consecutive nights is low, as doing it randomly would harm Town more often than scum. This is because of the Town majority.
-It only causes a problem when it needs its ability. Since it can harm Town relatively often, it shouldn't need to use its ability that often and the chanced of this are incredibly rare.

This is true for the start of the game. As the game goes on and you start to learn everyones roles and the suspicious players, you will be using your ability as much as possible protecting anybody from a suspicious player.

-Its protective ability is quite underpowered compared to others in its catergory;

-Mostly because this only protects one person from one player, this role has little-to-no function as a protective. You must predict both the killer and the target which is much harder than merely protecting the target.
-Even when it does protect its target, it is not any more significant than roles like the Doctor and Bodyguard - it just roleblocks them once and it is gone.

I think my main point is that it's extremely weak as a Town Protective.

As you state later, you are building up protection as the game continues. You can pray, and protect multiple people all in 1 night.

Spoiler:

It’s an alright role, may be on the weak side but can be fixed.

This role should be Town Support as its primary objective is not to protect from kills but from anything, it does the same amount of protection as Escort in a sense. If taking into consideration the TS split into Town Scout And Town Tactical, this will be Town Tactical easily

Also, remove the waits and the “3rd night it needs to rest” stuff, it’s unneeded, overly complex and is there just to be there

its protections build up over time though escort doesn't do that the prayer lasts more than the one night they are made it's more comparable to trapper then escort, also prayers stay active even after the intercessor's death

should definately be town protective

crusader stops visits that aren't attacks and its town protective (but yea crusader is a bad role but it's in the game anyway that's not helping this role mentioning it )

I have to agree with BS on this one. It gets stronger as it goes on, yes, but it wears off after one visit. Escort gets stronger as the game goes on, too, as there's a higher chance of roleblocking a killer when there are less living players ingame.

You're notified when it wears off, so you can pray again for that person the night after.

As the game goes on, the Escort has a higher chance of roleblocking a killer. As the game goes on, the Intercessor has a higher chance of protecting someone from a killer. The Intercessor ability also has a lasting effect, while the Escort does not.
Spoiler: Which Discord was this in?

[Mystoc]

You're notified when it wears off, so you can pray again for that person the night after.

its a mini tracker/lo in its own right because you can question why someone visited someone because you alerted when it is triggered

they need justify why they visited person like if they were pretending to be sheriff it wouldn't make sense if they visited the revealed mayor and will look susp

this role as some TI qualities to it as well

this role can unfortunately can confirm itself if it says if u visit x tonight you will be roleblocked(consig could fake that though) so its not absolute confirmability but it a strength the role, the strengths of this role are not just its ability to protect is my point

i do agree this fits town support better but the problem is this role with another guaranteed TP in the game offers town too much protection and would be unbalanced, i would argue this role offers a little bit less protection then transporter with less negatives so it being town support might work but it might also make the role to strong comboed with TP

i think it's for balance reasons its TP not necessarily because it fits TP best

maybe add a poll for what its alignment should be?