Clerk (Mafia Support)

[W8b40t]

The role is pretty balanced. but as far as I know, every other mafia visits someone to perform their ability, while this one will not move the whole game?

Every Neutral Chaos converts Townies and kills Mafia members. Therefore, all Neutral Chaos should convert Townies and kill Mafia members. You're extrapolating hard there mate, don't force absolutes in places where they aren't necessary.

'Balanced'
Survivor/VH/Witch, as soon as you know the NE is a Witch they're probably gonna die.
BG/GF/Arso is hell for BG, especially if you know there's an Arsonist.
Doc/Disg/SK, the Disguiser's ability removes them, so Doc/SK. SK is screwed probably.
Jan/Med/Ret, if you have a Ret it instantly confirms any Meds, so Janitor is going down the drain. If there is no Ret, and someone gets cleaned, they're still probably gonna die.

read:

ToS inv results aren't that bad. For the most part, they are balanced.

Also, 1/2 of your points are absolute bullshit. BG/GF/Arso is bad for GF/Arso, not BG. Jan/Med/Ret is possibly one of the best inv results possible for Janitor.
Even assuming all your points are valid (which they are not), that's 4/11 that are bad. Most are still balanced.
If you want to have a saltfest about Inv results, I suggest you post somewhere else.

[Guiorgy]

@W8b40t,
Did I say it was wrong that it doesn't visit? I just asked ffs!

Investigative results are f**ked right now.
http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewto ... 14&t=23473
Over 1K people voted that they must be changed!!!

[BS4125]

The role is pretty balanced. but as far as I know, every other mafia visits someone to perform their ability, while this one will not move the whole game?

Every Neutral Chaos converts Townies and kills Mafia members. Therefore, all Neutral Chaos should convert Townies and kill Mafia members. You're extrapolating hard there mate, don't force absolutes in places where they aren't necessary.

'Balanced'
Survivor/VH/Witch, as soon as you know the NE is a Witch they're probably gonna die.
BG/GF/Arso is hell for BG, especially if you know there's an Arsonist.
Doc/Disg/SK, the Disguiser's ability removes them, so Doc/SK. SK is screwed probably.
Jan/Med/Ret, if you have a Ret it instantly confirms any Meds, so Janitor is going down the drain. If there is no Ret, and someone gets cleaned, they're still probably gonna die.

read:

ToS inv results aren't that bad. For the most part, they are balanced.

Also, 1/2 of your points are absolute bullshit. BG/GF/Arso is bad for GF/Arso, not BG. Jan/Med/Ret is possibly one of the best inv results possible for Janitor.
Even assuming all your points are valid (which they are not), that's 4/11 that are bad. Most are still balanced.
If you want to have a saltfest about Inv results, I suggest you post somewhere else.

I'm going to forget you said that because there's no way they are balanced at the moment (if you want to see balanced results I suggest orangeandblack5's or mine in my signature)

[HereThereEverywhere]

BG/GF/Arso is bad. Even if it's not bad for BG(if they're alive lategame, it kinda is) it's still bad
Enough talking about invest results.


I'm not really sure what to say about this role. If you have a Consig, or you're going for a confirmed Townie, then your ability might work, though if they're confirmed they've probably pasted their will a few times(Said this part before) whereas if you don't, you're just going to hope your townreads pay off when you use it. Like, knowing who a BG protects is nothing compared to seeing an Invest's results. That's assuming all Townies have a will, though they usually do. Changing the charges would make it OP, so there's not much else I can think of. Of course, the way it works now would help good(or lucky) players usually, but less skilled people are gonna have a harder time putting it to use.

[Smowa]

I think a nice edit on this is, if you didn't send the files to your maf and you die, the wills get revealed to town. Like for example you hid 2 wills and you sent those wills to your maf. Then a few days later you had 2 more wills hidden and then you die before you can send them to your maf, those wills that you didn't send get revealed to town.

[HereThereEverywhere]

When you use your ability, the wills of the people that die the night you use it, and the day after get shown. You don't actually take the wills.

[Guiorgy]

Even if your target was doc or escort, your teammates can use their wills to fake their roles (given that town doesn't realise u are a thing)

[HereThereEverywhere]

Well if nobody claims roleblocked after an Escort dies without a will, people might just assume 'hurrdedurr that's the Escort that was roleblocking us!'
As for Doc, same kind of applies, but who says the Doc even healed anyone? Also, most people claim healed during the day, so you'd probably get accused of faking your will.

[Guiorgy]

Well if nobody claims roleblocked after an Escort dies without a will, people might just assume 'hurrdedurr that's the Escort that was roleblocking us!'
As for Doc, same kind of applies, but who says the Doc even healed anyone? Also, most people claim healed during the day, so you'd probably get accused of faking your will.

I am not saying it will definitely work, just might...

[BS4125]

BG/GF/Arso is bad. Even if it's not bad for BG(if they're alive lategame, it kinda is) it's still bad
Enough talking about invest results.


I'm not really sure what to say about this role. If you have a Consig, or you're going for a confirmed Townie, then your ability might work, though if they're confirmed they've probably pasted their will a few times(Said this part before) whereas if you don't, you're just going to hope your townreads pay off when you use it. Like, knowing who a BG protects is nothing compared to seeing an Invest's results. That's assuming all Townies have a will, though they usually do. Changing the charges would make it OP, so there's not much else I can think of. Of course, the way it works now would help good(or lucky) players usually, but less skilled people are gonna have a harder time putting it to use.

1) Sure, people send a copy of their wills during the day however this only really happens really late in the game when lots of people have information and will only generally post their will if they are being pressured to do it doesn't really happen in a game. Also if the Clerk is smart it would try to kill / push for a lynch someone who haven't pasted anything from their will so they get the best situation possible
2) Anything could help really, knowing where Bodyguard protects may be the deciding factor of where the Town believe you're Lookout or you could even claim the roll of the person with that will so they can't argue with you about the facts
3) Its not about luck, if you know that on a night you are going to kill a confirmed townie and that the town is going to lynch a town role tomorrow then it would be a wise decision to send wills that night. It's all about thinking of how many deaths are going to halogen during the night so their ability is not wasted

[BS4125]

I think a nice edit on this is, if you didn't send the files to your maf and you die, the wills get revealed to town. Like for example you hid 2 wills and you sent those wills to your maf. Then a few days later you had 2 more wills hidden and then you die before you can send them to your maf, those wills that you didn't send get revealed to town.

That would just break its power
It doesn't need a nerf at the moment, it's pretty balanced

[PhannToM]

I like it. Plus One Vote

[BS4125]

this seems like an interesting Idea. sort of like a janitor except all of the mafia members get to know the last wills of the people killed. however, it seems like that would be less useful on average than a janitor. seeing as it would not remove the role of the person and typically unless you happen to kill or lynch the witch, the mafia will likely be unable to do anything with the information. Also, I'm assuming that this would be a limited or single use ability otherwise this role would be overpowered as they could erase the last wills of everyone throughout the whole game; which would mean that using your ability in a way that you're not just sending the mafia the mediums will or the vigilante's or retributionists will, would take a great deal of coordination.

Well, removing lets say 3 wills which have a record of what they did each night that can be used for the Mafia, investigative results and maybe some outside information doesn't sound that UP

Also, if you read on a bit you'll see that this role only has 3 charges

[M3rkTiger]

'Balanced'
Survivor/VH/Witch, as soon as you know the NE is a Witch they're probably gonna die.

Of course, these are mostly obscure roles and hard to get yourself out of. I'll agree with this one.

BG/GF/Arso is hell for BG, especially if you know there's an Arsonist.

This was intended to put pressure on the BodyGuard, risk a really strong town role, or lynch a really strong mafia role or NK. It's designed to make the town take a risk and gives them a well deserved nerf to claiming roles.

Doc/Disg/SK, the Disguiser's ability removes them, so Doc/SK. SK is screwed probably.

Doc isn't hard to fake so it's just as likely a doc get's lynched under these circumstances as a Serial Killer would be.

Jan/Med/Ret, if you have a Ret it instantly confirms any Meds, so Janitor is going down the drain. If there is no Ret, and someone gets cleaned, they're still probably gonna die.

That's a hazard of cleaning is you let everybody know you exist. It happens.

[BS4125]

'Balanced'
Survivor/VH/Witch, as soon as you know the NE is a Witch they're probably gonna die.

Of course, these are mostly obscure roles and hard to get yourself out of. I'll agree with this one.

BG/GF/Arso is hell for BG, especially if you know there's an Arsonist.

This was intended to put pressure on the BodyGuard, risk a really strong town role, or lynch a really strong mafia role or NK. It's designed to make the town take a risk and gives them a well deserved nerf to claiming roles.

Doc/Disg/SK, the Disguiser's ability removes them, so Doc/SK. SK is screwed probably.

Doc isn't hard to fake so it's just as likely a doc get's lynched under these circumstances as a Serial Killer would be.

Jan/Med/Ret, if you have a Ret it instantly confirms any Meds, so Janitor is going down the drain. If there is no Ret, and someone gets cleaned, they're still probably gonna die.

That's a hazard of cleaning is you let everybody know you exist. It happens.

BG/GF/Arso is just utter stupidity. When TPro is dead, GF and Arsonist (two of the roles that can kill in a game which Town need to get rid of as a top priority) are confirmed to not be Town
Doc/Dis/SK is pretty fine, Doctor is the easiest claim in the game
Janitor shouldn't be with Medium because it ends up with Janitor giving away all its information to support a claim which isn't fair

But anyway, this is Clerk. If you want to discus Investigator results then visit my thread in my signature

[DarkALink97]

i think it could work, image it being used the same night an arsonist lights up, as it may be similar to janitor or fogger its not at the same time..
now I personally think this could be to powerful, I think of it almost like the strength of the ret.. instead of 2 uses I think 1 would be a better choice for multiple reasons one being balancing the other reason is being the janitor and fogger are still roles

[BS4125]

i think it could work, image it being used the same night an arsonist lights up, as it may be similar to janitor or fogger its not at the same time..
now I personally think this could be to powerful, I think of it almost like the strength of the ret.. instead of 2 uses I think 1 would be a better choice for multiple reasons one being balancing the other reason is being the janitor and fogger are still roles

Well, it's not like it's going to know when Arsonist ignites plus usually there's a limit of 2-3 kills each night so I think it's fairly balanced