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Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:53 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
BlazinIce wrote:Huh neat
It's a made up role category
Neutral Chaos would be better for this, because it doesn't fit into anything else.


Neutral Unknown is Neutral Chaos, it's just renamed :lol:

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:28 pm
by BlazinIce
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:Huh neat
It's a made up role category
Neutral Chaos would be better for this, because it doesn't fit into anything else.


Neutral Unknown is Neutral Chaos, it's just renamed :lol:

It doesnt neec to be renamed

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:18 pm
by TheWolfBuddy
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
TheWolfBuddy wrote:Ahh a survivor that can only win with the mafia, can't vest, and the mafia have reason to murderkill?!

No thanks!!

Hmm I don't think you read this role very well.

Firstly, the Wannabe cannot be killed by the Mafia. Constant Mafia immunity.
Secondly, it has a disguise ability.
Thirdly, it will be hard to know if this role is in the game, because of its alignment.

I do agree it's still UP though. Do you think I should give it full immunity?


Either that or let it win with other neutrals (I.E. nk)

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:28 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
BlazinIce wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
BlazinIce wrote:Huh neat
It's a made up role category
Neutral Chaos would be better for this, because it doesn't fit into anything else.


Neutral Unknown is Neutral Chaos, it's just renamed :lol:

It doesnt neec to be renamed

I don't mind really, the alignment thing doesn't matter. This thread is about the role lol.

The idea behind the renaming was to have some roles that rarely show up in games. I guess that's what NC is anyway so it's ok

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:33 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
TheWolfBuddy wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
TheWolfBuddy wrote:Ahh a survivor that can only win with the mafia, can't vest, and the mafia have reason to murderkill?!

No thanks!!

Hmm I don't think you read this role very well.

Firstly, the Wannabe cannot be killed by the Mafia. Constant Mafia immunity.
Secondly, it has a disguise ability.
Thirdly, it will be hard to know if this role is in the game, because of its alignment.

I do agree it's still UP though. Do you think I should give it full immunity?


Either that or let it win with other neutrals (I.E. nk)


Hmm... If I make it win with NKs, it would mean all NKs will lose if it wins - the point of this role is it wins with a faction that must kill it. Making it win with NKs would actually nerf all NKs. And besides, I would have to give it full immunity anyway, to protect it from NKs constantly trying to kill it.

Thanks for the suggestion :) but I'm afraid for now I'll have to keep it as just winning with Mafia, maybe give it full immunity actually.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:55 am
by SomeCatchyName9
Anyone got any more feedback?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:15 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
What are your thoughts on whether the Wannabe should be fully night immune?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:19 pm
by GodFocker
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:What are your thoughts on whether the Wannabe should be fully night immune?


Nah, maybe one use heal, but not fully immune.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:21 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
GodFocker wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:What are your thoughts on whether the Wannabe should be fully night immune?


Nah, maybe one use heal, but not fully immune.

Ok thanks :)

Do you think it's balanced now? Or still underpowered?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:26 pm
by GodFocker
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
GodFocker wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:What are your thoughts on whether the Wannabe should be fully night immune?


Nah, maybe one use heal, but not fully immune.

Ok thanks :)

Do you think it's balanced now? Or still underpowered?


It is balanced, it has been, never has been underpowered, I've liked it since the beginning, I was the first comment, and that even supported it. :D

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:36 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
GodFocker wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:
GodFocker wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:What are your thoughts on whether the Wannabe should be fully night immune?


Nah, maybe one use heal, but not fully immune.

Ok thanks :)

Do you think it's balanced now? Or still underpowered?


It is balanced, it has been, never has been underpowered, I've liked it since the beginning, I was the first comment, and that even supported it. :D

Oh wow I didn't realise it was you posting, sorry!! :lol:

Thanks for the support!!! XD :D

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:42 am
by SomeCatchyName9
Ok I've got an idea. What if I change the Wannabe's win conditions, so:

Wannabe becomes NB
It just needs to survive until the end of the game, like Survivor, BUT...
When a Wannabe wins, everyone else loses. So people must kill the Wannabe.
I'll give the Wannabe full immunity if I change its win condition.
Of course, it will keep the disguise ability to escape detection.

How does that sound?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:00 pm
by WindBlqde
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:Ok I've got an idea. What if I change the Wannabe's win conditions, so:

Wannabe becomes NB
It just needs to survive until the end of the game, like Survivor, BUT...
When a Wannabe wins, everyone else loses. So people must kill the Wannabe.
I'll give the Wannabe full immunity if I change its win condition.
Of course, it will keep the disguise ability to escape detection.

How does that sound?

NBs win with everyone.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:16 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
WindBlqde wrote:
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:Ok I've got an idea. What if I change the Wannabe's win conditions, so:

Wannabe becomes NB
It just needs to survive until the end of the game, like Survivor, BUT...
When a Wannabe wins, everyone else loses. So people must kill the Wannabe.
I'll give the Wannabe full immunity if I change its win condition.
Of course, it will keep the disguise ability to escape detection.

How does that sound?

NBs win with everyone.

It will win with everyone, it's just that everyone will have to kill it.

(Please note that it currently only wins with Mafia. I was suggesting a change)

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:54 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
SomeCatchyName9 wrote:Ok I've got an idea. What if I change the Wannabe's win conditions, so:

Wannabe becomes NB
It just needs to survive until the end of the game, like Survivor, BUT...
When a Wannabe wins, everyone else loses. So people must kill the Wannabe.
I'll give the Wannabe full immunity if I change its win condition.
Of course, it will keep the disguise ability to escape detection.

How does that sound?

Anyone else got any feedback to this?? ^^^

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:07 pm
by SomeCatchyName9
So how about if the Wannabe can win with anyone? It would solve the role dependency problem and fix some UP stuff too.

Basically I'll make it so it has the same goal as Survivor but every single faction in the game will HAVE to kill the Wannabe to win. To balance this I'll give it Night Immunity. And it will keep the disguise ability to avoid being detected. And I can also keep it NC.

The problem is that this may make the role too easy to win as. Because all it will need to do is survive. I quite liked the idea of having to work with the Mafia, and not being able to just throw them under the bus and switch to an NK. It would be too influential, basically a kingmaker.

So I'm currently going to keep it as only winning with the Mafia, but I'll keep my options open for the Survivor-like goal.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:36 pm
by TheMajesticSammie
It's unique. Not too overpowered, not too underpowered. Well balanced. I like it.
/support

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:37 pm
by BPsycho2
1: A made up category


2: It needs to help the mafia so that it can just steal the win. How about a witch? that makes things much easier on both sides.

gonna have to reject this.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:40 pm
by TheMajesticSammie
BPsycho2 wrote:1: A made up category


2: It needs to help the mafia so that it can just steal the win. How about a witch? that makes things much easier on both sides.

gonna have to reject this.

Just put it in Neutral Evil- it doesn't kill, but it has an ability that will cause trouble for other roles.
Just ignore his second point. I like this role.

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:48 pm
by BPsycho2
So, the logical point should be ignored.. because you like it.

I'll just have to convince you.

Why play as a role that doesn't do anything but wait for the Mafia to win, then steal it?
When you can play as a role that does do things, and wins with them?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:25 pm
by TheMajesticSammie
BPsycho2 wrote:So, the logical point should be ignored.. because you like it.

I'll just have to convince you.

Why play as a role that doesn't do anything but wait for the Mafia to win, then steal it?
When you can play as a role that does do things, and wins with them?

This role DOES do things- it disguises as other roles to avoid detection by investigative roles.

Actually, I do see one downside. How would the mafia know there's a wannabe if they always disguise as someone else? Do they just have to get lucky?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:34 am
by SomeCatchyName9
TheMajesticSammie wrote:It's unique. Not too overpowered, not too underpowered. Well balanced. I like it.
/support

Thanks :D
BPsycho2 wrote:1: A made up category


2: It needs to help the mafia so that it can just steal the win. How about a witch? that makes things much easier on both sides.

gonna have to reject this.

What is it with this place and the obsession with alignments lol... Look I really don't mind what alignment the role is, this topic is about the role itself.
TheMajesticSammie wrote:Just put it in Neutral Evil- it doesn't kill, but it has an ability that will cause trouble for other roles.
Just ignore his second point. I like this role.

It was originally NE, but the problem was:

1. It can't win with NKs - NEs win with anyone but town

2. It becomes too easy to find out if there's a Wannabe - Wannabes can only win if Mafia doesn't realise there is one, otherwise they would always lynch the Wannabe first.
BPsycho2 wrote:So, the logical point should be ignored.. because you like it.

I'll just have to convince you.

Why play as a role that doesn't do anything but wait for the Mafia to win, then steal it?
When you can play as a role that does do things, and wins with them?

As Majestic said, the Wannabe does do things. The main idea of this role, the uniqueness, it comes from the goal - It wins with Mafia, but Mafia doesn't win with it.
TheMajesticSammie wrote:This role DOES do things- it disguises as other roles to avoid detection by investigative roles.

Actually, I do see one downside. How would the mafia know there's a wannabe if they always disguise as someone else? Do they just have to get lucky?

Well if the Mafia could find out if there was a Wannabe, they would make sure he is lynched before the last town, making it impossible for the Wannabe to win without a kingmaker. One thing I could do is add an ability so if they die, the Wannabe is only revealed as whatever role they disguised as. So the Mafia can never know if the Wannabe is really dead. But that may be too much like the new Disguiser.

Basically, the Mafia have to scumread to find the Wannabe. But you're right, this may make it quite hard for the Mafia, I need to find a balance between the two.

Thanks for the support!! :D

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:30 am
by SomeCatchyName9
So is this balanced now? Anyone got more feedback?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:10 am
by SomeCatchyName9
Anyone?

Re: Wannabe (Neutral Unknown) - 100+ Views!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:01 pm
by EvilKingRNiC
I have seen this role and if it wins with vamps since it's Neut UK/ Neut Chaos then I like it


/support