Banker (NeutralEvil)

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Should I include a "Limited Blackmail"? (See "Ups and Downs" section)

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Banker (NeutralEvil)

Postby MrNSAagent » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:07 pm

Role: Banker
Alignment: NeutralEvil
Unique role?: Yes

Goal: Lynch all who oppose you
Abilities: Every night, select a target to buy their vote on the next day.
Attributes: You cannot be killed by the Mafia (since, historically, the mafia love banks)
You may only bribe three times.
You win with: Mafia, Witches, Survivors... uh, please help on this!
You must kill the: Town, SerialKillers, WereWolves, Vampires, Arsonists

Chat box:
Spoiler: Investigator/Consigliere text: "Target is skilled at manipulating others. They could be Escort, Transporter, Consort, or Banker!"
Sheriff text: "Target is not suspicious"
Mafioso/Godfather text: "Target is immune to your attack!"

Ups and Downs:
Spoiler: Upsides:
    When you bribe a town member, his vote becomes null
    (Please vote on this) Bribed target can only speak/whisper 3 lines of text per day using at most 20 characters (excluding spaces and special characters) per line.
    You cannot die to the mafia.
Downsides:
    You cannot bribe a SerialKiller, Vigilante, Arsonist, Jester,
    Vampires or Executioner
    You do not have total night immunity.
    Your target knows when you bribe them and can tell the town about it the next day.
    You can only bribe 3 times per game
    SerialKillers and Vigilantes will kill you if you try to bribe them


Achievements: Spoiler: Money Talks - win the game as the Banker
Banker Gangster - bribe a member of the Mafia (shows up at the end of the game)
Can't buy Batman! - try to bribe a Vigilante
Burn a hole in your pocket - try to bribe an Arsonist (shows up at the end of the game)
Bad Investment - Bribe someone as he dies on the same night
Corrupt Politician - Bribe the Mayor (shows up at the end of the game)
SerialKiller's Achievement: I don't want no stinkin' money! - Have a Banker try to bribe you


Please, people, help with this role! I'm specifically asking for edits that help with Anonymity, Kingmaking, and general balance.I guess some achievements are good, too. Never mind, that can be worked out by the devs. But I do need some bumping so that others may see it. Nomination for the Testing Grounds are good, too... I guess...

Also, if it seems like I'm copying other Banker role ideas, I'm not. I haven't even read any of them. Any and all similarities are purely coincidental and unintentional.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby GuldenFlame » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:04 pm

Good idea, bad execution.

It would be neutral (Benign) Which no one EVER likes.

Town would see you more as evil instead of Town.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby Kirize12 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:40 pm

Should be NE with the goal to kill off town. It's still a weaker blackmailer though, which is why I don't like it.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby DankaldTrump » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:43 pm

Kirize12 wrote:Should be NE with the goal to kill off town. It's still a weaker blackmailer though, which is why I don't like it.


But it steals his/her victim's vote, which can be very powerful.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby Kirize12 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:51 pm

DankaldTrump wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:Should be NE with the goal to kill off town. It's still a weaker blackmailer though, which is why I don't like it.


But it steals his/her victim's vote, which can be very powerful.

Not as powerful as BM'er.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby DankaldTrump » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:18 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
DankaldTrump wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:Should be NE with the goal to kill off town. It's still a weaker blackmailer though, which is why I don't like it.


But it steals his/her victim's vote, which can be very powerful.

Not as powerful as BM'er.


MrNSAagent wrote:When you bribe a town member, his vote becomes yours and he is "blackmailed" for that day.


So it not only blackmails the victim , but also steals the victim's vote. I am sorry if I missed something, but how is it weaker then BM'er?? :|
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby Kirize12 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:28 pm

DankaldTrump wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:
DankaldTrump wrote:
But it steals his/her victim's vote, which can be very powerful.

Not as powerful as BM'er.


MrNSAagent wrote:When you bribe a town member, his vote becomes yours and he is "blackmailed" for that day.


So it not only blackmails the victim , but also steals the victim's vote. I am sorry if I missed something, but how is it weaker then BM'er?? :|

Whoops, forgot to read that he's blackmailed.

I would be ok with this role.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby DankaldTrump » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:32 pm

Kirize12 wrote:Whoops, forgot to read that he's blackmailed.

I would be ok with this role.


Lol too funny :lol:

But in all seriousness, I could ethier see this as an N.E or N.B.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby kookeekwisp » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:37 am

Overview & changes: If this were to be in the game, it would break any alignment it might be in (except for one)
Remove the Mayor/Jailor buff and the Vet/vig downside, Remove blackmailing & notification, Only change your target's vote weight (they can still vote, but it's worth nothing) and give it the ability to corrupt players into winning with you. (with some drawback)

Alignment (abilities kept): Blackmailer silences & can't die to mafia already, so this is too powerful to be Mafia. It does more harm than Transporter, so it can't be town. The only class it fits with is Neutral. And it's sub alignment? Benign needs to be weak because it wins with everyone, and obviously it doesn't kill. That leave Evil and Chaos. Seeing as how Vampire can take a member from the town & basically gain 2 votes from it, I'd say controlling the votes is fit for Chaos.

Alignment: Neutral (Chaos)
Goal: Live to see the town lose.

Goal (with above changes): Lynch everyone who would oppose you.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby ShortcutButton » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:27 am

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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby lucas8411 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:56 am

Kirize12 wrote:Should be NE with the goal to kill off town.
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby MrNSAagent » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:54 pm

ShortcutButton wrote:No thanx!

Uhh, can you be a LOT more specific? I really hate it when people criticize something and offer no way to make it better.
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos)

Postby DankaldTrump » Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:05 pm

Everything looks good, I just think the alignment should be NE instead of NC

But hey, that's just me :roll:
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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby ShortcutButton » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:55 pm

MrNSAagent wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:No thanx!

Uhh, can you be a LOT more specific? I really hate it when people criticize something and offer no way to make it better.

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but if you insist, back when i posted that pic you had a surv wincon which is no-go, you seem to have fixed that so good job, credit where its due

not getting killed by mafia is pretty wtf, prolly confirmable at that point and a prime lynch target for the mafia now

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Re: Banker (Need help with alignment)

Postby DankaldTrump » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:23 pm

ShortcutButton wrote:
MrNSAagent wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:No thanx!

Uhh, can you be a LOT more specific? I really hate it when people criticize something and offer no way to make it better.

no






but if you insist, back when i posted that pic you had a surv wincon which is no-go, you seem to have fixed that so good job, credit where its due

not getting killed by mafia is pretty wtf, prolly confirmable at that point and a prime lynch target for the mafia now

invest result fucks you over.


It makes sense though, because the Mafia loves money. Also what invest results would you do for this role. TBH, I like this role, I think it has mass amounts of potential, but only after the kinks have been worked out.
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:36 pm

This should be NE.

Also, Balance > Lore.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos)

Postby ShortcutButton » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:51 pm

Also what invest results would you do for this role.


something with town in it?
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos)

Postby MrNSAagent » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:57 pm

ShortcutButton wrote:something with town in it?

I got a poll set up for that. Vote now!
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby DankaldTrump » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:32 pm

To be honest, none of those invest results are very good for the banker.

With that said I like this result from Orange's invest overhaul list (link will be provided):

orangeandblack5 wrote:Escort, Transporter, Consort - Your target is very skilled at manipulating others. They must be an Escort, Transporter, or Consort.


I think you should just replace trans with banker (or not) and it will be the most balanced result and the invest result that makes the most sense.

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Spoiler: http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23473&hilit=Invest+overhaul

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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby oliy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:33 pm

Stealing votes is something suggested before and I support.
This role is just too complex for the job, and where's Mafia on the win's with?
Why does it only win with a few things?
2 votes is hardly enough to do anything for something like a NK.
Currently it's NC, but it should be edited for NE

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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby DankaldTrump » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:05 am

oliy wrote:Stealing votes is something suggested before and I support.
This role is just too complex for the job, and where's Mafia on the win's with?
Why does it only win with a few things?
2 votes is hardly enough to do anything for something like a NK.
Currently it's NC, but it should be edited for NE


I agree with the fact that it should win with the Mafia

Maybe also get rid of limited uses? Or would it make it a kingmaker??
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby MrNSAagent » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:38 pm

DankaldTrump wrote:To be honest, none of those invest results are very good for the banker.

With that said I like this result from Orange's invest overhaul list (link will be provided):

orangeandblack5 wrote:Escort, Transporter, Consort - Your target is very skilled at manipulating others. They must be an Escort, Transporter, or Consort.


I think you should just replace trans with banker (or not) and it will be the most balanced result and the invest result that makes the most sense.

Link to Orange's list here:

Spoiler: http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23473&hilit=Invest+overhaul

Cheers :mrgreen:

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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby MrNSAagent » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:52 pm

DankaldTrump wrote:
oliy wrote:Stealing votes is something suggested before and I support.
This role is just too complex for the job, and where's Mafia on the win's with?
Why does it only win with a few things?
2 votes is hardly enough to do anything for something like a NK.
Currently it's NC, but it should be edited for NE


I agree with the fact that it should win with the Mafia

Maybe also get rid of limited uses? Or would it make it a kingmaker??

Ok, I guess I have a lot of editing to do. I will add the Mafia win, and the NE alignment (even though I've seen a LOT of NEs on this forum), but not the unlimited use, as that is indeed Kingmaking. Is 3 times enough, oliy?
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Re: Banker (NeutralChaos/NeutralEvil)

Postby MrNSAagent » Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:03 pm

oliy wrote:Why does it only win with a few things?

I... actually need help with that, sorry if I seem like I don't know what I'm doing. :oops:
oliy wrote:This role is just too complex for the job

PLEASE!!! I BEG OF YOU!! HELP ME!! How can I simplify this???? :bawling:
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Re: Banker (NeutralEvil)

Postby kookeekwisp » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:06 pm

I suggested this before, but it wasn't clarified.

It's ability should corrupt other people in the town, making them able to win with you, but can still win with their faction.
For example: When visiting twice, that player is allowed to win with you. (On third visit, they defect to your side completely?) Alive on your own, you're vote only counts as one. If you had the power to corrupt, even if it takes forever, you'd get 3 votes, and even 4 if you're really lucky.

I think the only way to keep this role balanced, would be to give it the power to corrupt & remove it's mafia win condition. Any other cond. would make it so strange, it's unplayable.
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