Rain Dancer (Town Support)

[Darkbash]

[b]Why do "Jesters" make so many good roles these days.

Are you saying Jesters don't usually come up with good role ideas? Because that is not true. I've seen lots of people who only get support because they have a high post count, and I think that should be stopped, but you can't really stop bias. It's not helping by implying Jesters don't make good role ideas though.

I posted that months ago, I think the reason why I posted this was to cheer him up. My opinion have changed on this thread. Even someone with a higher rank make bad roles like me, but the importent thing is that the creator of the role learns from thier mistakes and improve the role or make a New and better role.

I'd drink to that, but don't go around pointing out how their a jester and they made a good role. That's like saying "Hey noob, you're good." You're contradicting yourself, calling him a noob but also saying he's good. In this context it's more like "You are new to the forum so your ideas are supposed to be crap, but their good."

[BPsycho2]

Dis/jest/rain

Autoconfirms rain dancer.. so... "Jailor kill it with fire"

[Migzypoo]

so err, can we have this role already?
I love it so far 0.o It actually seems balanced...

/super support

[BlazinIce]

Pretty good, except for investigator results. It's horrible for Jester and Disguiser, because they can't say that they're the Rain Dancer, because the whole town knows when it rains, and if Disguiser/Jester claimed RD, then everyone would force them to make it rain tommorow. If it didn't rain the next day, then they'd be killed. It's very good for RD, bad for the others. Place it in a group with the other instant-conform groups, because it's easy to verify as RD.

[Tzedrik]

Haven't come to the forum for a while, glad to see this role idea is not dead

Also I made a few modifications, mostly so he can't confirm himself as easily. I wrote the modifications in bold.

What have being change:
- Not unique anymore
- Invest result
- A new option during rainy night
- A optional special interaction with Arsonist

I can still put things back how they were if you guys think those modifications doesn't help at all

[alex1234321]

I think that it should be Town Power, as it is very powerful and is self confirming. Also, Arsonists should be able to kill on rainy nights; they need buffs, not nerfs.

[monkeymacman]

I think that it should be Town Power, as it is very powerful and is self confirming. Also, Arsonists should be able to kill on rainy nights; they need buffs, not nerfs.

New arso achievement: Set fire to the rain!

[Skulomania]

I think that it should be Town Power, as it is very powerful and is self confirming. Also, Arsonists should be able to kill on rainy nights; they need buffs, not nerfs.

New arso achievement: Set fire to the rain!

Adele : Set fire to the rain!

Now that is an achievement i support.

I always wanted an Adele achievement.

[Tzedrik]

I think that it should be Town Power, as it is very powerful and is self confirming. Also, Arsonists should be able to kill on rainy nights; they need buffs, not nerfs.

First off he CAN ignites, it just won't be as effective since some people will be drenched that night.
Second, I would barely call it a nerf. The rain dancer only has 2 uses and can't use them 2 days in a row. If you add the fact that arso can't be caught off guard since he knows beforehand about the rain AND that he could just douse someone else anyway is more about giving a false sense of security to the town. The point was to give scum roles a claim as rain dancer even if it didn't rain yet by saying they are keeping their uses for later. To an extend, arso could even claim rain dancer himself since there is obviously always an arso in an arso game lol

Anyway I put that part as "optional" since I knew it looked like a nerf to arso, the real issue was more about preventing the rain dancer to confirm himself.
By removing the "unique" attribute, even though it's obvious when there is at least one rain dancer, it makes things a bit harder to know if there is another one.

Also it could give maf an easy claim if a rain dancer is cleaned by a janitor before he reveals himself. This role doesn't force you to pull facts out of nowhere like any TI claims. It's also much easier than escort or transporter since people can't ask you who you rb or transported. Basically, this role doesn't need a will at all.

[Cenas4life]

I likes this role a lot. It is new and innovative and is not like any other role we currently have. It is not to overpowered or underpowered, it has a good balance. It would help town out and be a great edition to Town of Salem. Good Job. /SUPPORT

[Totes]

This role is pretty good. It's like Snoop Dog, making it rain (And makin people wet).



I can die happy now, knowing I've made at least one horrible Snoop Dog joke in my life

[BPsycho2]

Rain Dancing should be a sun ability, and should affect that night.

Invest results (better): Your target makes rash decisions. They are either a Vigilante, Rain Dancer, or Mafioso.

[DRxSKILLZx]

THIS NEEDS TO BE IN ToS

[destinycall]

This is a neat role. I like it a lot - very well balanced, interesting and unique game mechanic. Not too strong, but provides useful information and adds to game-play. I'd really like to see this role in the game.

I strongly prefer it as a night ability that notifies everyone the next day so they have the opportunity to "prepare for rain". It adds some interesting interactions between the different visiting roles as they decide whether or not to brave the elements and risk being marked by rain water. I also like the interaction with the Arsonist. A small nerf, but not enough to significantly harm him unless he is right up against the wall and must Ignite or die. Adds an element of risk/reward for people deciding if they want to get wet.

I agree that this role belongs in Town Support, rather than Investigative. Although I see why people think of it as more investigative, since it can provides information about other roles, it is not as directed as the true Town Investigative roles and would work better as an auxiliary role. A town with two Raindancers as their Support role slots would be in much better shape than a town with two Raindancers in their Investigative role slots. The information they can provide is potentially quite useful but also very situation-dependent and would work best along side other Investigative roles.

[BlazinIce]

This is a neat role. I like it a lot - very well balanced, interesting and unique game mechanic. Not too strong, but provides useful information and adds to game-play. I'd really like to see this role in the game.

I strongly prefer it as a night ability that notifies everyone the next day so they have the opportunity to "prepare for rain". Already true

[BS4125]

Love this idea /support all the way

I have a suggestion though:
If the Arsonist ignites and the Rain Dancer summons rain, make it so the fire if put out

This then solves the problem of a slight hard counter to Arsonist and it will be very rare for it to work however Arsonist rarely wins any games

Your decision

[kookeekwisp]

Love this idea /support all the way

I have a suggestion though:
If the Arsonist ignites and the Rain Dancer summons rain, make it so the fire if put out

This then solves the problem of a slight hard counter to Arsonist and it will be very rare for it to work however Arsonist rarely wins any games

Your decision

Just make it so the rain doesn't wash away dousing in any case.
/support change

[BS4125]

Love this idea /support all the way

I have a suggestion though:
If the Arsonist ignites and the Rain Dancer summons rain, make it so the fire if put out

This then solves the problem of a slight hard counter to Arsonist and it will be very rare for it to work however Arsonist rarely wins any games

Your decision

To put this out of the way, when it's raining that doesn't mean the fire goes out immediately. And even if the fire goes out, the target can still die of having not enough oxygen.

Besides that it's an okey idea, the only reason thing why I said "okey" is because I find Arsonist a diffecult role to win with.

Tru, Arsonist is a weak role but is a cool mechanic

[kookeekwisp]

It doesn't nerf Arso all that much. They just have to ignite directly after it rains to prevent wasting a night.

Do people who only visit themselves get Drenched? If so, don't.

[Jerme]

Any visiting role will be drenched, at least I have moderated the rain dancer like that. So selfhealing Doctors, vesting Bodyguards, or igniting Arsonists will be shown as drenched.

[jadensr]

I see that someone revived this post, since this was posted in 2015, but I'm so glad they did.

This is a really interesting and unique role, that I feel nobody but you would have come up with.

I love this role, it is flawless compared to many others; it does something major in an extremely subtle way, which I love.

/Support

[randomguyhavingfun]

ok i do really like this and yes it should prevent ignition. its really creative and balanched. but why should self visiting roles get drenched?

[BS4125]

ok i do really like this and yes it should prevent ignition. its really creative and balanched. but why should self visiting roles get drenched?

Yes support this

If you visit yourself you're not going outside so you won't be drenched and an Arsonist's ignition should be extinguished by the rain

[Jerme]

@Above me: Logically this might be true, but as this visit is observeable by a Lookout, it counts as a visit mechanic wise. That is why selfvisiting people still show up drenched the following night. At least that is what I am doing when the Rain Dancer is rolled on the Testing Grounds and I am the current Moderator of the game.

[randomguyhavingfun]

@Above me: Logically this might be true, but as this visit is observeable by a Lookout, it counts as a visit mechanic wise. That is why selfvisiting people still show up drenched the following night. At least that is what I am doing when the Rain Dancer is rolled on the Testing Grounds and I am the current Moderator of the game.

Yeah but that makes the role worse as survivors vesting bgs etc will be drenched