PokemonKidRyan wrote:TheForgot3n1 wrote:Mroz4k wrote:I want to point out some things that pinged me in forgotten ISO.
Starting with how scumread on hark. He scumreaded him for his play style. Then forgotten said that mostly people who are likeable are townread, and that people who will not be likeable get misslynched. This seems to me rather opportunistic. It basically apologizes for misslynches in advance. Good way to say "oh they were being awful, it's not my fault they got mislynched!"
If I am not mistaken, he voted for Mela without much reasoning, and basically excused himself by saying mela caused her ML herself. I see rather opportunistic behavior.
Same with my accusation. He claims I never give reasons for my suspicion, and then literally omguses me without much sound reasoning of his own. Mostly he says I don't include proof but I hardly can, because quoting on phone to make a long ISO is borderline impossible.
He dislikes being pushed and rarely pushes others, and those he pushes are already pushed by others when he chips in. His behavior is not defensive but offensive.
Many of these things could be just extremely poor play. But I'd still suspect him well enough. His reasoning to vote me was riddiculous.
Next lynch, however, should be Zero if Alex is Maf. If not, Ladd is the lynch. But I doubt Alex is not Maf.
1. Hark had a similar tone and playstyle as in the only game I've played with him: VFM 2. What was here there? Scum. I have to admit, he fooled me there, and for some reason he killed me at night despite me having him as a pretty decent townread (about 3rd, other 2 higher were confirmed). Anyway, his way of overlooking what I said day1 did not ping me as town. I already made a few posts on why I thought Hark was a scumlean/nullscum. It's also one of those scenarios where I rather overcompensate my scumread on him in order to force a reaction I feel I can read, partially because he fooled me before. Anyway that was my read, now how is that AI?
2. Likeability is correlated to lynchability (let's just say that's a word). Likeable players are generally harder to push. It's basically a fact, especially among newer players and I and Hark talked about that, where I agree it's something you might need to train not to do, somewhat. I don't see how that is in any way AI to say.
3.Give me a quote on this. I can't remember.and basically excused himself by saying mela caused her ML herself
4.I gave you sound reasoning, if you won't bother to look for it yourself, then I won't bother to quote it for you. Much of it is based on the idea of using your own alignment as leverage, which I don't see any issue with. To me, I am the only confirmed town in this game, so awkward pushes on me are especially scrutinized.and then literally omguses me without much sound reasoning of his own
5.Okay so don't make accusations on your phone. I have a samsung, and my answers to Samuel last 5 hours or so were all from phone. It is possible, and even if it wasn't, it's your responsibility to bring forth proof.Mostly he says I don't include proof but I hardly can, because quoting on phone to make a long ISO is borderline impossible.
6. I don't mind being pushed when I think the push is logical and sound. Such as Samuel's initial scumlean on me for making stupid votes. That was rational to me, and actually part of the reason I townlean:ed him. But your pushes, they're ingenuine and biased, and I mentioned that earlier. I suspect Sam's recent pushes on me were due to having read the thread too little/feeling pressured himself.
7. How is voting ladd a push already being made by others? How is voting you a push already being made by others? How is voting Alex a push already made by others? Even going further back; how is Lexiam a push made by others, even though there was zero effort in that one? Almost all my pushes are made exclusively first by myself. Do you see how biased you are to not notice any of that?
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Your case is full on holes. My case on you is based on ^ these accusations because that's what has pinged me about you. But let's ISO dive as well.
Compiled, you have scumread 6 players (ladd,kirize,npromin1,lexiam,Theforgot3n1,zero) and you've set yourself up to scumlean on alouvre/ryanyb/lof. You have 9 players to put your FoS on with a "case" on them previously. This is especially benefiicial to do as mafia, since it puts the attention on players other than the mafia team. But the most awkward thing is that you would expect town!mroz4, if he were to be this scumread-ish, to throw dirt on Samuel and Alex just as hard. But for some odd reason they're immune to it... hm when we see the flip on Alex I think it could be quite telling of the mafia team.
I'm going to do a 1-7 of your points, Forgotten...
1 - That is sort of true. I had a look at both ISO's (from the different games)
2 - That is also true. People who are likeable are less likely to be lynched when there is no evidence against them. That's how Mroz won in a NFM as scum, because everyone believed him, as he's so likeable / renowned in FM.
3 - Neither can I. A quote would be useful.
4 - It's normally best if you quote it and maybe explain it in further detail. He might have just overlooked something
5 - Show your proof yourself too please. Quote more stuff yourself.
6 - Normally Mroz has some reasoning behind his pushes..... Maybe he's pushing you as a reaction test, or trying to get you to give more info / reads or even just post more.
7 - I see what you mean there and I think it's a fair point.
His case has some holes, but, full of holes, I don't know.
Yes, he has scumread / scumleaned on many players..... But, so what?
This isn't quite like town!mroz. However, it isn't fully like scum!mroz too. Scum mroz normally tries to lead the town as much as possible.
I'd lean slight town on mroz. But, I can see him being mafia, if he's scum.
I don't see him as a soloist this game from his posts.alouvre wrote:Apologies, I was busy the entire day and now I'm absolutely shitted out. I would like to put in a word or two before we hammer, but im unsure if I can get it out tonight. We'll see after I do housekeeping and shit, see ya
This was the same as me. Sorry it took me so long to post.
This post is so awkward both in context and in content. I don't have time to go in detail right now.
We still need three votes I think. Mroz will vote, Alouvre will vote I assume, so we need one more.
enjoy the wall you love so much.
