Episode XI | Rerolled (TrueGent wins!)

[alouvre]

Btw idk what you're talking about in regards to looking at someone dodgy and not active and... whatever that last sentence was

[TheForgot3n1]

You're content with LoF not agreeing with you when your answers regarding Mel's push deserve more than handwaving.

[Varanus]

I would like to direct you back to the fact that ladd and alex are cc'ing each other, and I'm cc'ing ladd.
Seems a bit more important than whatever reads are being pushed for bad reasons.

[TheForgot3n1]

Follow-up

alouvre, dude, there is NOTHING weird about disliking shitty formatting. Ask my teacher he loves it. Anyway it was a "compliment" and I'm happy you're using it.

I feel like there's something fishy about the alex/kirize claim. They are dependent on each other and could be coordinated. I mean, what the heck are the chances of a lookout being on Kirize and Kirize being a bodyguard who self-protected that same night. Can't believe it. There's something fishy as hell between alex and kirize. Beginning with an alex lynch is the safest and most informative atm, in my opinion.

My current town block:

Nvm.

I would like to direct you back to the fact that ladd and alex are cc'ing each other, and I'm cc'ing ladd.
Seems a bit more important than whatever reads are being pushed for bad reasons.

Yeah we know. That doesn't need much time to sort out. It's just claims. And nice snide comment bro, totally pro-town and helps.

My vote stays.

[Varanus]

"It's just claims"
ufokinwotm8

[alouvre]

You're content with LoF not agreeing with you when your answers regarding Mel's push deserve more than handwaving.

Why thanks, but he did soften his scum read on me, right? That was my entire point: to defend myself, not to bicker about whose views are better. As long as he actually read it. If he continues to push on me in the future, without specifying what he has against me, then I will grow concerned. But now I don't care. Probably because I view him in a more positive light now, idk.

Anyway, we still need to hear from alex on whether he saw ladd or not. If he did, then varanus is lying. If he didn't, then alex is lying, because he townread ladd and seemed to play off his claim on kirize. Alternatively, they're both lying.

[TheForgot3n1]

You know what I mean Varanus. Claims are just claims. It's not really that complicated to sort out who to vote, compared to making reads on people and that whole shenanigans, which requires about 10x more time and effort.

I wonder if we will ever get along varanus. I don't know what happened I truly liked you man

[alouvre]

[Varanus]

Forgot3n, I'm verifying alex's claim of me visiting myself. So now it's alex and me v ladd.
Not very complicated here.

@alouvre
Do you actually think he wouldn't have mentioned seeing ladd had ladd visited me

[alouvre]

Yes, because if he's actually Lookout it's reasonable to assume that others will assume that you also saw the person whom pretty much everyone decided to believe + he literally fuckin' based his claim on ladd's claim, otherwise where the hell did he get that weird ass bomber theory from?

[LordofFail]

You're content with LoF not agreeing with you when your answers regarding Mel's push deserve more than handwaving.

How so? We wont ever agree on the mel push; alouvre thinks he was just in pushing mel while I think it was a terrible lynch and was scum-driven. At this point all we can do is agree to disagree and move on; anything more would just be wasting time and be antitown.


alex, who did you watch N1 and what did you see? Until he gives his N1 results I am skeptical at best of his claim.

[npromin1]

@Alex also did you see ladd visiting Kirize/Varanus as well?

[LordofFail]

@Alex also did you see ladd visiting Kirize/Varanus as well?

if he did he probably would have mentioned it

i think alex's claim is fake it looks like a desperate attempt to prevent a kirize lynch by making them look like they are Bomber. I think Kirize is Godfather and alex is some other mafia.


Also in hindsight James' witch comments look like an attempt to signal the witch to control James and another mafia will claim witched to signal to the witch who the mafia are. But thats irrelevant now since James is dead.

[LordofFail]

we've got 40 hours left in the day. My gut is telling me that the bodyguard claim is fake.

I think ladd is telling the truth. Ladd was urging us to lynch Kirize on D2, so the shot on Kirize would be logical from ladd's POV.

Also ladd immediately voted Kirize and heavily scumread them at the start of D3 before he revealed.

Therefore, ladd shot Kirize last night. Meaning alex is lying because if Kirize visited Kirize, a fuse would have gone off. Meaning Kirize is Godfather or Witch (probably Godfather) and alex is a member of the Mafia.

One Escort should roleblock alex while the other roleblocks ladd. We should think of a way for the escorts to organize this without revealing who they are. WCS one escort has to reveal and will claim a RB target and the other escort RB's the other.

Unless there is only one Escort and a Consort, and the 3 roleblocks each night came from a mafioso shadow and a fake roleblock to give the illusion of a third roleblocker (which would be dumb because the ruse would be revealed tonight unless another mafia fakeclaims roleblocked again)

[Varanus]

If he were mafia trying to protect this slot, why would he say I self visited. It would be easier to just say nobody visited.
In addition, at the time of his claim, I hadn't replaced in yet. Are you suggesting he decided to do this for an empty slot?

[SamuelJackson1972]

i don't know what you're saying in your first post. he said "that omgus though" right before he voted mel. never answered what the hell he was referring to, my post he mentioned isn't an acceptable answer. it was not in any way phrased to look like he wanted me to see it. put it right under some stuff he said directly to mel then moved on to james.
Please, you've been picking apart just about everything said to or about melanora.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749113#p1749113

and may i point out he made this post later.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52772&p=1749984#p1749984

first post phrased like he was actually scumreading mel. second post lifted that off of her for no reason. I already specified why I said what I said. never specified which scummier people he meant despite me asking. and if you read the other posts in the omgus exchange it's obvious he's evading giving a clear answer.
REALLY now?
Spoiler:

you flatter me so
go iso mel or samuel or something idk

Sam reaction test looks fake and there was no point to it, I don't get why he didn't simply ask you about that and I just don't see where he wanted to go and why he would try to "bait you into answering". Rest of his posts are mostly useless or contradict themself, like that one post where he says Mel is at most a Neutral scum but he doubts it and that the lynch is not bad in the same post.[...]

1) Associations are a thing.
2) it's not like you guys won't just lynch them later anyway
As for voting me, you can go right ahead, I'd rather have a mislynch sooner than later tbh.

Ok, what associations are you getting from a Mela town flip?

Maybe, but that doesn't make them a "not bad" lynch.

You also could have tried to push the lynch away from Mel, since they are apparently almost confirmed Town to you for unknown reasons.

Here's the thing, there aren't better lynches.
Hence why it's not a bad lynch because we have nothing else to go on.
As for associations if they're town, you can start with these two: (I'll explain it later if you don't see it)
PersianRugs
TheForgot3n1
*sigh*
Time is running out, guess we have no choice.
/vote melanora

This was on the exact same post you linked btw
there is no fucking way his reaction was townie. my initial question ("how was it omgus if she (mel) scumread hark before he or I did?") both implied i thought he was accusing mel of omgusing and presented a very clear question. his answer? quoting a post of mel's that directly supported that mel wasn't omgusing and asked me if i was drunk. and the conversation only gets more confusing from there. he knew exactly wha he was doing. there's no other explanation dude. i'm pretty sure my questions were clear. and then he ends the argument by claiming he was doing a reaction test lol. yeah fucking right.
Yes, because I'd totally do alignment suicide for absolutely no reason as scum in an episode.
Had you actually bothered to read my posts instead of ignoring them you would know the answer to the questions you stated.
Spoiler:

I don't think mel is omgusing and I don't see how my post implies it. your post is a better fit for that description, with the "that omgus though" and then the vote. now you seem to be implying otherwise. are you intentionally trying to confuse people?

Q: are you omgusing!!!
A: yes.

I was trying to bait you into explaining this little tidbit right here^
Incase you haven't noticed, I never trusted your slot, and I still don't.
/unvote

You're sandwiching an unvote on mel between odd aggression against alou, what?

I thought alourve was accusing melanora of omgusing, turns out it's the exact opposite.

that post doesn't answer any of my questions. if you're not accusing either of us of omgusing then what did you mean by this?

I'm sorry, I just can't take this post seriously.
I mean, you're being voted by multiple people with two days left and you don't even refute their reasoning.
The OMGUS though.
/vote melanora

you're avoiding the issue dude.

As I said again, I was trying to see if you'd point out your own contradiction, which turned out to just be misinterpretation on my part.

I'm not repeating this same stupid arguement anymore.
nullscum might as well be a scumread dude. if you're gonna give an alignment stick to it, you can't say he's nullSCUM and expect others to treat it like a regular ol' nullread. and no, i'm going to continue making "insanely low effort posts" because this is how i want to play, sorry if it bothers you.

you didn't want to be townread and now you seem concerned about. nobody wants to lynch you. seems like you were just getting uncomfortable with the amount of suspicion on you.

what things should we be questioning? be more specific.

pedit ok N, I'll do that.

Also I want to get this out of the way, just because somebody disproves some of your points doesn't mean that the whole damn thing is wrong, you genius. /sarcasm
If it wasn't for the claims I'd vote you in a heartbeat.

[SamuelJackson1972]

If he were mafia trying to protect this slot, why would he say I self visited. It would be easier to just say nobody visited.
In addition, at the time of his claim, I hadn't replaced in yet. Are you suggesting he decided to do this for an empty slot?

Why is this even up to debate?

[Varanus]

Because LoF is a baguette that doesn't understand basic logic

[LordofFail]

If he were mafia trying to protect this slot, why would he say I self visited. It would be easier to just say nobody visited.
In addition, at the time of his claim, I hadn't replaced in yet. Are you suggesting he decided to do this for an empty slot?

i dont know, but i know that i believe ladd over alex. And I highly doubt your bodyguard claim.

[Varanus]

I think the applicable term here is "Suspension of Disbelief".

[alouvre]

Samuel, I read every single one of your posts and none of them came logically from what I was originally asking. Am I severely misunderstanding you or something?

ok let me take this point by point

Spoiler:

Please, you've been picking apart just about everything said to or about melanora.

1. Because it was the biggest thing going on at that moment.

2. That has no relevancy to what I said whatsoever.

I already specified why I said what I said.

Okay, you did. My point is that it is an unacceptable answer. This is what you said in response to my question, that it a part of your reaction test. What the hell? You voted Mel, pretended like you were actually scumreading her, in order to bait me into answering something? That doesn't make any sense to me.

REALLY now?

Yes, really. I asked you who you said were scummier than mel. Again, this post was your answer to it. Nowhere did you give me names. The post you quoted was to ladd, and you provided those two to look at IF mel flips town, and even said there weren't any better lynches despite saying earlier you there were people going under the radar that were scummier than she was.

Yes, because I'd totally do alignment suicide for absolutely no reason as scum in an episode.
Had you actually bothered to read my posts instead of ignoring them you would know the answer to the questions you stated.

I don't understand this. Are you admitting that you're scummy?

I read all your posts. You've been acting evasive, your 'answers' did not make sense or didn't even exist.

Also I want to get this out of the way, just because somebody disproves some of your points doesn't mean that the whole damn thing is wrong, you genius. /sarcasm

I don't know what this is referring to.

If it wasn't for the claims I'd vote you in a heartbeat.

Your reason for scumreading me is that I was behind melanora's lynch. Read my post to LoF and try again.

Your read on Hark is extremely vague and seems to be a dislike of his playstyle more than anything AI. Have you never seen townies be hyperagressive before?

If he were mafia trying to protect this slot, why would he say I self visited. It would be easier to just say nobody visited.
In addition, at the time of his claim, I hadn't replaced in yet. Are you suggesting he decided to do this for an empty slot?

I disagree with LoF's theory. I think alex just wanted towncred. If you aren't gf he may very well be an agent/blackmailer that bugged/tracked you last night.

And, if you two are both mafia, yes. I believe he would. An empty mafia slot is still a mafia slot.

[Varanus]

So alouvre, what you're telling me is that a mafia is fake claiming lookout to protect their GF from being lynched, after a vigilante shot them?
That would literally be suicide

Fair enough on the agent bit, but alex doesn't have to be town to be right.

[alouvre]

That's one possibility. Upon further thought, mafia/mafia may be possible as well, I simply disagree that alex claimed to protect you.

I forgot that fuses can go off on the same night they're attached, so the agent/blackmailer thing is out of the window unless Alex just wasn't thinking. Which is actually possible because that claim was a poor idea for all alignments.

The flip side to this is explaining why Ladd randomly claimed vigilante to lynch your slot. That makes less sense, which is why we need alex to get his ass back on and tell us if he saw ladd or not. Either way, it incriminates somebody.

[Varanus]

I just gave up guessing why people fake claim these things after SFM17.

[alouvre]

You mean ryan's sheriff claim or something? What alignment do you think ladd is?