Episode XI | Rerolled (TrueGent wins!)

[SamuelJackson1972]

Aaaah now I remember. Zero is tha person who hates Citizens and is actively role fishing for them and is hanging them against his own judgement.

Is "obsession of pointing Cits out and hurting them" new kink for FM players?

Sam, your reads too.

Almost half of them will be null reads, you've been warned.
I'll post them in a minute.

Then HOW ABOUT YOU CLIMBED DOWN FROM THAT FENCE AND INSTEAD AT LEAST TRIED TO GIVE PEOPLE PROPER READS?

Sorry bout the caps, totally accident.

At least give then Town leans or scum leans.

Mk.
Alex - Slight scum
PersianRugs - slight scum
Ladd - Town (due to the claim, was slight town before)
LoF - Slight town
Zero - null (leaning scum)
Forgot - Moderate scum
Lexiam - Moderate town
Kirizie - Slight scum
PKR - very slight scum
Alourve - Slight scum
Milte - Null (leaning scum)
Mroz - Moderate town
Yauaustin - very slight scum
Ryanyb - Slight town
Npromin1 - very slight town (gutread)
And yes I know there are more scum reads than actual scum.
@TureGent can you update the ISOs please.

[ladd]

So you think I am town, but Kirize is only a slight scumread?

[LordofFail]

oops. i accidentally did this:

Spoiler:

Spoiler: anyways trump jokes aside, here my wall from the last few pages.

Forgotten, first of all, I don't like being voted or pushed by people who I believe have a decent chance to be Town, it annoys me and could make this turn out ugly. I can confirm myself as town, so you are wasting both of ours time and biasing me towards you in a bad way. Explain to me how the fuck you can meta on one game? Read NFM29 for my most recent Town game.

WHY WOULD YOU SOFT THAT

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Anyway I claim PR with a result on Kirize, I don't really feel like fully claiming and it's not necessary. The chances he is not scum are basically zero, but I will wait for a claim from him because I am a really nice guy.

CAN YOU NOT NEEDLESSLY CLAIM PLEASE AND THANK YOU

LOL. glad to see 11A marks the game I finally lose my shit over something dumb. hey, c'est la vie. i have too many things to say to step away.

yo LoF, my pal, do you know what the hell "invalidate" means? let me show you.

in·val·i·date
inˈvaləˌdāt/
verb
1.
make (an argument, statement, or theory) unsound or erroneous.
synonyms: disprove, refute, contradict, negate, belie, discredit, debunk; More

don't you worry about the reasoning. it will get there.

mroz, if samuel is trying harder this game he must not try at all as scum. i've played with him before, and i don't remember him being like this, but you're right that i haven't meta'd him yet because i didn't feel like it was necessary. i only meta'd kirize and N so far because i was unable to work with the things in this game. but sure, i will meta him to make you happy.

i said it once and i'll say it again. i 'tunnel' people because i think they're scum and nobody has provided me with an adequate defence of the person i'm tunnelling, including the person themselves. i'd argue it's not tunnel vision either, because i'm not ignoring other people. i'm just focusing on someone as my main push.

ladd, i understand why you don't want to fully claim. but i will not vote kirize until you give me your role.

Seriously are you even reading my posts. Refute my arguments with evidence and opinions, not logical fallacies.

Or you are just bad at reading people, I wonder which one is right. I don't think I have been even close to be lynched as Town in any of my games, the closest I got is probably DA.

I am a vigilante, Kirize is immune and as soon as I can I am shooting you regardless of what I think of your alignment. Bye.

And there it goes. tbh you practically hardclaimed with your first post, vigilante is the only town role that can confirm itself
and since kirize cannot be sk or witch (unless witch is rb immune for some reason), kirize must be GF or Bomber. Which means that Kirize is a good PL for if we cant find the SK.

Or you are just full of shit and are scum pushing an easy ML similarly to scum claiming sheriff with a mafia result on someone (which would be very stupid in this situation since we arent in mylo or lylo)

Or you could be a mafia role who tried to kill kirize last night and you are claiming vig to cover for it which would make kirize bomber

Regardless, Kirize is scum (and if they somehow flip green then ladd is scum)


Also sidenote: WHY WOULD YOU REVEAL AS VIG WHEN THERE IS A CONFIRMED WITCH?







had to get that off my chest. i feel better now.

I would have shot N1 if I was in the game and it was possible.

hold on let me try to respond to this in accordance to the new 2016 meta:
lol ur bad go replace out kek

am i doing it right?

No the lynch is Kirize, there is no either.

I don't care what you know about me, your case was bad and as much as you want to negate it, it was mostly due to what happened in NFM24, which is what annoys me.

There is nothing wrong with the post you keep quoting btw, not sure what you want to say.

Kirize isn't SK. I want to lynch the SK if possible. If we cant find the SK, we lynch Kirize. Also the Escort had better roleblock you tonight since you are going to get controlled.

Oh. So Kirize is probably a Witch then. Good to know.

Yea I don't mind hanging Kirize today. And if he really flips a Witch, I'd like Ladd to shoot another person but without specifying who. That way we can either get him confirmed as Vig by having a kill by Vig, or have confirmed real Consort who would block him.

If Witch is still alive, Escort should be on Ladd to prevent his misuse.

Kirize was rb'd N1 when there was a witch control. So unless witch is rb immune, kirize isn't witch

[ladd]

Witch has always been rb immune?

[LordofFail]

Witch has always been rb immune?

has it? I forgot lol

so kirize is GF, Bomber or Witch.

I suppose they are the best lynch candidate since the vig hardclaimed so they are useless unless the witch is dead

seriously why hardclaim vig when there is a witch whyy

[ladd]

Ok, you are voting Town though, LoF, so that's not a good start in finding the SK.

We are at 10 vs 3 vs 3, if we lynch non-SK scum and all night kills go bad we are at 8 vs 2 vs 3, I think that's fine.

If kirize is bomber I would consider lynching outside of him, but since we have no way of knowing, he dies.

[ladd]

seriously why hardclaim vig when there is a witch whyy

Because people wanted me to claim despite the fact that I softed it even too much and I got annoyed and there is at least one escort anyway.

[ladd]

Anyway I claim PR with a result on Kirize, I don't really feel like fully claiming and it's not necessary. The chances he is not scum are basically zero, but I will wait for a claim from him because I am a really nice guy.

CAN YOU NOT NEEDLESSLY CLAIM PLEASE AND THANK YOU

Needlessly? So claiming to have a PR result on someone you know to be immune is needless, ok.

[LordofFail]

seriously why hardclaim vig when there is a witch whyy

Because people wanted me to claim despite the fact that I softed it even too much and I got annoyed and there is at least one escort anyway.

why would you even soft vig

why would you not say "i have reason to believe that kirize is scum" or something


and also why were you shooting on n2 to begin with? and why would you shoot n1 if you could? you must really want to tick off "town killing kills town" from your bingo card or something

[ladd]

I said I had reasons to believe kirize was scum since like my second post of the day.

I don't really feel like discussing game theory with you man.

[TheForgot3n1]

Mk.
Alex - Slight scum
PersianRugs - slight scum
Ladd - Town (due to the claim, was slight town before)
LoF - Slight town
Zero - null (leaning scum)
Forgot - Moderate scum
Lexiam - Moderate town
Kirizie - Slight scum
PKR - very slight scum
Alourve - Slight scum
Milte - Null (leaning scum)
Mroz - Moderate town
Yauaustin - very slight scum
Ryanyb - Slight town
Npromin1 - very slight town (gutread)
And yes I know there are more scum reads than actual scum.
@TureGent can you update the ISOs please.

How is lexiam moderate town and myself moderate scum? Wtf
I am literally your strongest scumread yet the only thing you mentioned are my votes in day2. Nor have you bothered to push it. Also explain your alouvre read. Why slight scum?

[PersianRugs]

Are we able to rb Ladd and prevent the witch from controlling him?

[ladd]

I don't see what would stop it. I am thinking of a better night plan, cause wasting two potential Escorts on me is a bad idea, but unless Kirize is Witch, at least one roleblocker has to be on me.

[TheForgot3n1]

I feel like letting things WIFOM out is the right way to play the night. Let escort(s) decide. Let lookout decide. Let marshal do whatever. Let the witch try to witch you if he dares. If you don't have something revolutionary, then just pick a target you believe in and pray that things work out fine.
Witch controlling you can hit both mafa and other neutrals, albeit less likely.

For now I just want to investigate alouvre/ryanyb and maybe mroz4k. I can buy samuel being possibly scum too, to be honest. Lastly alex' list was awkward too. Did not seem genuine.

Somewhat OMGUS related. His accusations toward me were initially sound and fair, but now I feel he probably hasn't read the thread or... I dunno something.

[SamuelJackson1972]

Mk.
Alex - Slight scum
PersianRugs - slight scum
Ladd - Town (due to the claim, was slight town before)
LoF - Slight town
Zero - null (leaning scum)
Forgot - Moderate scum
Lexiam - Moderate town
Kirizie - Slight scum
PKR - very slight scum
Alourve - Slight scum
Milte - Null (leaning scum)
Mroz - Moderate town
Yauaustin - very slight scum
Ryanyb - Slight town
Npromin1 - very slight town (gutread)
And yes I know there are more scum reads than actual scum.
@TureGent can you update the ISOs please.

How is lexiam moderate town and myself moderate scum? Wtf
I am literally your strongest scumread yet the only thing you mentioned are my votes in day2. Nor have you bothered to push it. Also explain your alouvre read. Why slight scum?

Yes. Yes I do.
Lexiam was pushed by James a lot, meaning it's unlikely that they're mafia, you also voted them twice.
One at the start of day two and another one after James2 voted. (Theirs was at 13 Oct and yours was at 14 Oct)
And then you vote melanora, and shortly after that, James do the same.
Now that's not all, there's also this:

ryanb - townread
persian - gut townlean
kirize - gut townlean
maxwell - nullscum
samuel - nullscum
ladd - nullscum (feels like that NFM 24 or w/e I remember him replacing in and being like this, and he was scum)
alouvre - nullscum (due to hark mostly)
maxwell - nullscum
Lordoffail - nullscum
James2 - gut scumlean
Misa - nullscum due to so little effort
Jammy - gut scum
mela - can't read tbh
yau - no idea tbh
Lexiam - null
npromin1 - null
ChamAlien - null
thukko - null

Bask in the amount of null reads. And yeah more scumreads because I cannot for the life of me imagine playing like these players as town, so it makes them all seem scum to me.

I'll put effort into it if I survive, but the reason the above reads list is so shit is due to severe inactivity from 75% of players so there's very little to do.

You cannot possibly be serious.
Also I'll explain alourve in another post so it's easier to read, give me a moment.

[TheForgot3n1]

ladd I ask again, what do you think of alouvre and ryanyb. You three are the only interesting ones from day2, when it comes to impact on the game.

Ill respond to you samuel too

[SamuelJackson1972]

Anyway, I think it was pretty clear that I scumreaded them for a long time.
I disliked harks tone, their encouragement of naked votes on misa, and their posts in general.
As for Alourve, they have been one of the main people behind the lynch of melanora.
But these complaints are rather minor, but still worth considering.

[TheForgot3n1]

I pushed Lexiam only after he claimed witched. I didn't care any more after that, didn't even read his ISO. also note that I made a gut scum lean on James2. I would have just put null on him as well I think if I was mafia.

When it comes to Mel. The honest truth is that she never struck me as scum. I only voted her because I was annoyed with the game. And I personally hate when there is a difficulty getting enough votes, so I figured I would throw my vote in quickly, so as to not disturb and also accelerate the game ("cuz why not"). I would have supported any lynch. Which you can see that I did with my vote being everywhere. Except some townreads at the time.

The lexiam thing makes sense. I thought they were based on reads. Though 50% of scum are neutrals btw, and possible buss.

Me voting Mel is kind of NAI tho? How is it related to james2 other than timing? Other than vote timings with james2, which you can say about persian too, I don't see a strong case. Also mafia voting simultaneoisly, I dunno is that really a mafia tactic. Eh.

[ladd]

Ok Ryan and Alouvre, I am convinced you are not Mafia, especially Ryan, and even if you are Neutrals you still need to scumhunt unless you are witch then fuck you the light will come to get you, but if you are witch and controlled those targets I would be really disappointed, so let's talk about reads.

I need help in sorting out {Lexiam, Persian, PKR, npromin, Zero}{Alex}{LoF} in particular. I often misread both Lexiam and persian. Zero seems like one of those unreadable guys. Alex is Alex. LoF is LoF. Npromin is just awkward.

Nothing has changed from this post. Hark/James early D1 interactions looked decently real and James saying Ryan is obviousTown and buddying to him really did not feel like Mafia/Mafia, I could see them being Neutrals, but their play has been pretty townie even without associations, especially Ryan; I had some doubts on Hark while catching up, but Alouvre has been fine, though I am a bit surprised they did not catch my Vig soft and kept asking me to claim. I am just gonna leave both of them alone for a while, if they are still alive like D5, we can have this talk again.

[TheForgot3n1]

I wont be posting for a while now. On phone and with friends!

[ladd]

ladd I ask again, what do you think of alouvre and ryanyb. You three are the only interesting ones from day2, when it comes to impact on the game.

I barely posted anything serious D2 and was not even close to being caught up, you have a strange conception of "interesting".

[LordofFail]

I feel like letting things WIFOM out is the right way to play the night. Let escort(s) decide. Let lookout decide. Let marshal do whatever. Let the witch try to witch you if he dares. If you don't have something revolutionary, then just pick a target you believe in and pray that things work out fine.
Witch controlling you can hit both mafa and other neutrals, albeit less likely.

For now I just want to investigate alouvre/ryanyb and maybe mroz4k. I can buy samuel being possibly scum too, to be honest. Lastly alex' list was awkward too. Did not seem genuine.

Somewhat OMGUS related. His accusations toward me were initially sound and fair, but now I feel he probably hasn't read the thread or... I dunno something.

no
no
nononnononononono

last time we tried this the marshal stopped the escort, allowing the witch to control the vig into shooting a townie

[alouvre]

I'll respond to other things later, but is there a problem with just picking the towniest looking roleblock and asking them to do it? between kirize/m4x/thukk0 and ryan/samuel/jammy, I'd say thukk0 and samuel were the most town-motivated roleblocks.

and lol my bad. anyway, here.

/unvote
/vote kirize

[alouvre]

/unvote

shit forgot to check vc bbrb

[alouvre]

oh, it's just 3/7. ok, whatever.