Appealing: TheChosenNoob69

[TheChosenNoob69]

I was wrongfully banned for "Gamethrowing", and my 3 recent games where I think a lot of people reported me falsely were a game where I was a Veteran and I vet-baited D1, killed a very well known bot/thrower (Marmuu023) and for some reason someone who's name was Downie said I was Jailor and I executed an Investigator D2 and pushed everyone into reporting me, even though I have not done that and even If I did, it's not really reportable and that's just ignoring the fact that I wasn't even Jailor.

I was a Spy, played my role perfectly fine, 3 Mafia left D1, the "Jailor" said he jailed me when I wasn't jailed, I said I wasn't jailed and I chose to visit the vet so town believes my will (you can see it if I was reported in that game) and said that I am a "known" thrower, even though I pretty much confirmed 3 townies and did not throw. A lot of people reported me that game for ABSOLUTELY no reason.

I was a Janitor, I made the strat to buss down the Mafioso D1 and confirm myself to Jailor, since we cleaned a TI but apparently that strat is considered to be throwing, I also chose the Mafioso since he was toxic from N1 and 'threatened' to out me. I didn't know that "bussing" down your own Mafia to confirm yourself was considered throwing, since I've seen Skimm and many other high Elo players do it and no one ever got banned for it.

TrialBot will post my reports and you will see that the recent reports are from one of these games. I've been playing since 2015 (i think) and my account was grandfathered, I have gotten 2 temporary suspensions before but that was a long time ago (at least 2 years), I don't think I deserve a permanent ban because I either got mass-reported/bussed down my own Mafia to confirm myself. I do not gamethrow, you can check my win/loss ratio through TrialBot. (I will post them for the sake of proving my point, I hope that's okay)

TheChosenNoob69's Total Games Played: 1392 (69%)
Games Won
959
Games Drawn
14
Games Lost
419

I don't deserve to be permanently banned & especially for something that I am SURE I didn't do. Please recheck my ban/trial judgement and consider unbanning me, and even though I am 100% sure I did not gamethrow in any of these 3 games (as there are logs to these games), I hope my permanent ban can at least be made into a temporary suspension as I cannot afford to lose this account for something so 'minor' as this.

[TrialBot]

Here are your reports:

• Gamethrowing
• Hate speech/Harassment
• Hate speech/Harassment
• Leaving

[TheChosenNoob69]

Report ID: 3295453
I was falsely guilted, I was a witch on the stand and outted one of the Mafia members. I have already lost, not throwing for myself. It's not reportable to out Mafia but for some reason this was a guilty, so that's that.

[TheChosenNoob69]

Report ID: 3317068
Link of the D1 Vet story: https://prnt.sc/10cxa5k
I'm just trying to prove that I am not lying, most of these reports are either mass reports or straight up wrong.

[Flavorable]

You were in the defense phase as a Witch. And instead of defending yourself, you claimed Witch, that would be gamethrowing. The report looks valid from my viewpoint.

As for the 3 other reports below the gamethrowing one: Those are archived and can no longer be appealed. The report ID mentioned in your last reply (which reminds me to tell you to edit your post instead of replying to yourself), is a closed report, a closed report doesn't have a verdict and therefor cannot get appealed.

[TheChosenNoob69]

You were in the defense phase as a Witch. And instead of defending yourself, you claimed Witch, that would be gamethrowing. The report looks valid from my viewpoint.

There was nothing I could do, an Investigator posted my results and I was transed, so I had to choose to claim Escort or Transporter as Witch, nothing I can do except surrender really. To quote the investigator ("Widget to Investigator: Widget the Investigator N1: Daddy - (Esc/Trans/Cons/Hypno);". How do you expect a WITCH to claim Escort or Trans D2 when I don't know except 1 evil? I was fake 'caught' red handed, and you can see that I told them multiple times that I was transed and these aren't my results, and that I wasn't the roles the Investigator has. I do agree that claiming Evil on stand when Evil could be counted as gamethrowing, but when Town refuses to listen regardless of what you have to say and expects you to either claim Escort or Transporter, what am I meant to do?

And by the way, there was an Escort claim that RBed the Jailor, and another Transporter that was confirmed. so that made TS even less likely, that's why I just didn't bother. Again, I didn't think it'd be gamethrowing knowing that I already was going to get guilited, and I do apologize for my mistake but I hope someone can review that once again perhaps.

[TheChosenNoob69]

And I really hate to say this, but getting permanently banned over this specific situation just seems so blatantly unfair. To my knowledge, outting Mafia/Evils on the stand wasn't 'gamethrowing'. I did ask about this specific situation in the Town Of Salem Official Discord server (i'm not sure if it's still around) & If you look up "Can witch out Mafia", you'll see that the first results say that "A dead witch cannot win and has no team" ---> Two of the evils voted me so I thought I'd out one of them since I'm pretty much done for and there was no way of getting out If I had claimed Escort, who do I say I RBed? The evil I witched? They don't know I am witch and would've guilted me regardless and no way of claiming Transporter when 2 TS spots are already taken. I hope you can see my viewpoint as I've seen and understood yours, and I hope you can at least make it a temporary ban instead of a permanent one. I am pretty sure the only reason I got *permanently* banned wasn't because of the "gamethrowing", It's probably because my account has been suspended twice from a long time ago and they counted up I guess.

[Jerme]

Greetings,

the permanent ban was issued due to your previous three suspensions, as the fourth suspension itself is the ban.

[TheChosenNoob69]

I understand why it was permanent, I'm just appealing because the 4 suspensions weren't in a row/in a very short time. Infact, there was a 2 year period between the last suspension and this ban and that I don't think the ban was very valid in itself, that's why I am asking for an unban/shorter period.

[Jerme]

I apologize, time is not making reports less valid, or strikes decay.

[TheChosenNoob69]

The report in of itself was not valid, you have not read all of my replies and you are literally doing what is called "Selective viewing" where you just see what you want to see and reply to it. Any casual non-sweat tryhard player would do as I did, out the mafia that voted you, get on with your day, I am not the only one who does this, but maybe one of the few that got suspended/banned for it.

Current state of this game: https://prnt.sc/10eqjtl https://prnt.sc/10eqm1p
Yet, you choose to ban people that have been there since 2015, you can say all you want about "report" valid or invalid, It's invalid whether you like it or not. But yeah, you must PERMENTANTLY ban the witch who outted Mafia D2 when found and getting guilited! I want someone else to review my appeal, I don't like the way you handle things lmao.

[TheChosenNoob69]

I made 2 individual replies (they're called posts for some reason on this forum) explaining why it was invalid to be permanently banned but you left everything which was written and decided to reply "Oh yeah you know the 4 strikes thing that you ALREADY mentioned in your appeal and already know, that's why it was permanent." What's the point of appealing then?

Everything I've said so far I've proven to be correct/truthful about, I've provided countless screenshots, and countless sources of where I got my information from, but that was disregarded and completely ignored. You might have had a bad day and probably didn't have time to read/check the actual appeal. But you need to recheck and actually read what was presented to you or get me someone else who can.

My point which I've presented 3 times so far: Technically a dying witch cannot gamethrow. Witch's goal includes the word "survive". You can't throw when you've already lost. The second that investigator posted his results, regardless of their actual role, town instantly expected me to claim something impossible for a witch, and still decided to vote me up and lynch me, I have already lost even though he/they were wrong. You can't see the votes or the chats inbetween the votes, it was an instant quick 8 votes on me. And I tried to contact the "Mafia" I threw for and I am getting banned for but they were AFK LMAO. Filter chat by Vigi Cat. ("Daddy to Vigi Cat: hi hypno im witch")

Game throwing is defined as:
Intentionally losing the game or hurting your teams chances of winning(even if that team is just you) is gamethrowing. Point is can't hurt the "chances" if they weren't there to begin with, you can carefully read the D2 chat and see how fast I was lynched/pushed without further "conversations"/time.

And even if I was on the wrong side and truly gamethrew unintentionally, this was the only report I have ever got banned for regarding gamethrowing, I do not have a history to gamethrow nor a desire to gamethrow, Yes, I got suspended 3 times before but they were all for various reasons, some were silly, more usual toxic behavior ever since my unban I have stopped all my toxic behaviors and have not received a report (guilted one) for a very good amount of time. I do not take pleasure in ruining other's fun and games. That is also a reason I think I should be appealed for, I know how the banning system works and I know that the forth is suspension is a permanent ban but all I am asking is that you do not judge all of my 1.3k games over 1 gamethrowing report, and maybe rather judge my actual games? I'm sure a report on my account still exists, you can see how I play, how I format my wills, how I truly play instead of this.


https://www.reddit.com/r/TownofSalemgam ... ing_mafia/ [Regarding this specific report]
https://www.blankmediagames.com/rules/ [Rules of ToS]
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=3309287 [An Example of where I solely carried town as Jailor]
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=3308151 [Another Example of a normal game (some reason reported for gamethrowing too)]
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=3306906 [Another Jailor game]

[Jerme]

You outted yourself on stand as Witch, that is gamethrowing.

[TheChosenNoob69]

Stop repeating what you've already said multiple times, start reading what I've said or get me someone else that can because all you've done so far was tell me the reason for my ban and why it was permanent which I already knew. That's not the point of my appeal, read what I've said or get me someone who can.

[Flavorable]

The point Jerme is trying to make is: Only invalid, unarchived reports can get appealed. And the one report you have that is unarchived, is valid and thus cannot get appealed.

What's the point of appealing then?

The point of appealing is when you get suspended, but no rules have been broken, you can get it put right.

But if the rules were broken, it doesn't matter how much time is in between, 4 strikes means permanent ban, this goes for everyone.

Last but not least: Jerme and I are here to make the situation clear to you, keep in mind that appealing is a privilege and not a right. And just because you're not getting the answer you want, does not mean we don't read what you say, it just means that what you say has no bearing on whether or not the report is valid.

Regardless, if our point is clear, you are free to just await final verdict from an Admin, which will take anywhere between minutes and months, depending on their inclination to handle appeals.

[TheChosenNoob69]

The point of appealing is when you get suspended, but no rules have been broken, you can get it put right.

That's the point I have been trying to make, you cannot expect a Witch to claim Transporter or an Escort, that is not possible. If I had claimed anything else, I would've been guilted regardless. And yeah sure, I'll wait for the verdict from the Admin.

[Jerme]

You were trnasported weren't you? You could have gone for that as well.
You did gamethrow in that match, as it was not over for you at all. If you defended yourself or attempted to, you would not have been punished.

[TheChosenNoob69]

I did go for that tho? I was still instantly voted up lol. https://prnt.sc/10f89ow

[Jerme]

You can repeat yourself, when you are on trials.

[TheChosenNoob69]

It has been a week or two, any updates on my appeal?

[Hiway202]

Appeals are handled from oldest post to newest post so bumping your appeal actually puts you at the back of the line. TurdPile or LevinSnakesRise will get to your appeal when they have time, but keep in mind all of the staff are volunteers and have jobs/lives outside of the forums so you will have to be patient.

[Jerme]

To add up on this: I do think that the given verdict will be "appeal denied", as the report looks pretty much valid to me.

[TheChosenNoob69]

You think it's fair and right to permanently ban someone over 1 game (out of a dozen, 1392 games to be exact) because of a minor 'gamethrow' that wasn't even a gamethrow, but you see something I don't and that's cool, nothing to discuss there. A lot of cases where Moderators just blindly follow rules and disregard a lot of information, a player for 5 years, 1.3k games (first ever guilty on a gamethrowing report), have reported a lot of players for similar behaviors (check my posts), pretty casual player but that doesn't matter because I outted a Maf member on stand instead of defending myself (when I had no defense), permanently ban that guy, deserved right?

[Jerme]

You would ahve been suspended for that one report, if you did not have gathered 3 strikes in the past.

[LevinSnakesRise]

You gave yourself out on the stand. That's pretty clearly gamethrowing in the report.

Appeal denied.