DELTARUNE

[MafiaMenace]

its decent story
good cast
worse music than the og game by far
also its got zero difficulty

/shrug

you cant expect toby to come out with some new game to blow your expectations out of the water
everybody already set theirs way too high

[Alicitzen]

Not a sequel.

Thank you for finally saying this.

Q: Is deltarune a sequel?

A;Please don't worry too much about that.
Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)

I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I don't know what you call this kind of game.

It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.

That's all.

Source: Spoiler: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

Thats still a sequel.

[mrminecraft03]

Not a sequel.

Thank you for finally saying this.

Q: Is deltarune a sequel?

A;Please don't worry too much about that.
Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)

I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I don't know what you call this kind of game.

It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.

That's all.

Source: Spoiler: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

Thats still a sequel.

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.

[mrminecraft03]

Not a sequel.

Thank you for finally saying this.

Q: Is deltarune a sequel?

A;Please don't worry too much about that.
Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)

I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I don't know what you call this kind of game.

It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.

That's all.

Source: Spoiler: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

Thats still a sequel.

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

[Alicitzen]

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

Nice double post.
But its totes a sequel.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
Mass effect andromeda is still a mass effect sequel despite being set in a whole new cast in an entire unrelated world.
Toby is saying its not a continuation.
But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel

[Chemist1422]

I'd call it a spinoff.

[MafiaMenace]

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

Nice double post.
But its totes a sequel.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
Mass effect andromeda is still a mass effect sequel despite being set in a whole new cast in an entire unrelated world.
Toby is saying its not a continuation.
But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel

no
thats not what a sequel is

[MafiaMenace]

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

Nice double post.
But its totes a sequel.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
Mass effect andromeda is still a mass effect sequel despite being set in a whole new cast in an entire unrelated world.
Toby is saying its not a continuation.
But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel

no
thats not what a sequel is

you just made up the definition
a sequel is used to develop a past story, this does neither
it's a completely new world shown by characters like undyne not having a clue who the fuck alphys is

[mrminecraft03]

its decent story
good cast
worse music than the og game by far
also its got zero difficulty

I agree, I didn't die once, or really come close to it. lol (but the best character. is K. Round, change my mind)

Nice double post. Oops
But its totes a sequel. Nope. As He/She said above, its more of a spin-off.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
se·quel
/ˈsēkwəl/Submit
noun
a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.
synonyms: follow-up, continuation
"the film inspired a sequel"
something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event.
"this encouragement to grow potatoes had a disastrous sequel some fifty years later"
synonyms: consequence, result, upshot, outcome, development, issue, postscript; More


But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel This, is toby fox milking the game. I can guarantee that a large portion of the sales, are just people who wanted more sans, papyrus, toriel, ect.

[MafiaMenace]

its decent story
good cast
worse music than the og game by far
also its got zero difficulty

I agree, I didn't die once, or really come close to it. lol (but the best character. is K. Round, change my mind)

Nice double post. Oops
But its totes a sequel. Nope. As He/She said above, its more of a spin-off.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
se·quel
/ˈsēkwəl/Submit
noun
a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.
synonyms: follow-up, continuation
"the film inspired a sequel"
something that takes place after or as a result of an earlier event.
"this encouragement to grow potatoes had a disastrous sequel some fifty years later"
synonyms: consequence, result, upshot, outcome, development, issue, postscript; More


But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel This, is toby fox milking the game. I can guarantee that a large portion of the sales, are just people who wanted more sans, papyrus, toriel, ect.

watch matpats theory on deltarune
it explains that there is no supernatural/magic stuff to this
it was an incredible video and if he's correct then this story is all the more better

[Alicitzen]

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

Nice double post.
But its totes a sequel.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
Mass effect andromeda is still a mass effect sequel despite being set in a whole new cast in an entire unrelated world.
Toby is saying its not a continuation.
But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel

no
thats not what a sequel is

you just made up the definition
a sequel is used to develop a past story, this does neither
it's a completely new world shown by characters like undyne not having a clue who the fuck alphys is

Excuse me?
I already said that doesnt make it not a sequel.

se·quel
/ˈsēkwəl/Submit
noun
a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.

Thanks for immediately confirming my point.
By using prior cast and the intro using the expectations gained from the prior game to set up the theme of choice not mattering, its immediately developing on the previous themes.
So yeah.
Thanks for agreeing

[MafiaMenace]

Toby fox has LITERALLY stated that is not a sequel.
It has undertale characters to milk it for money im pretty sure. The battles and shit are similar because thats toby's style of game.

Nice double post.
But its totes a sequel.
A thing doesnt require direct connection to still be a sequel.
Mass effect andromeda is still a mass effect sequel despite being set in a whole new cast in an entire unrelated world.
Toby is saying its not a continuation.
But by virtue of the same characters, anagramous name, same mechanics, similar themes built of undertales, it is 100% a sequel

no
thats not what a sequel is

you just made up the definition
a sequel is used to develop a past story, this does neither
it's a completely new world shown by characters like undyne not having a clue who the fuck alphys is

Excuse me?
I already said that doesnt make it not a sequel.

se·quel
/ˈsēkwəl/Submit
noun
a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.

Thanks for immediately confirming my point.

a sequel has to directly be tied to an older game
this is more indirect than anything

it a completely new game
new story
technically new characters
etc.

its not even in the same universe as undertale

[Alicitzen]

a sequel has to directly be tied to an older game
this is more indirect than anything

Yes the term is indirect sequel.
They exist.
And are still sequels.
Though by nature of using prior characters and expectations gained from them and the previous game its a bit more of a confusing term, though its still a sequel.

[Alicitzen]

If you wish to imply a sequel needs to be a direct follow up let me ask:
What about GTA
What about Final Fantasy
What about SMT
What about Persona
What about Far Cry
What about literally every bethesda game

all of them are series built of sequels purely from the thematic and gameplay aspect.
Occasionally they reference characters or world trivia from prior entries, but are otherwise stand alone.
Like deltarune.

[MafiaMenace]

If you wish to imply a sequel needs to be a direct follow up let me ask:
What about GTA
What about Final Fantasy
What about SMT
What about Persona
What about Far Cry
What about literally every bethesda game

all of them are series built of sequels purely from the thematic and gameplay aspect.
Occasionally they reference characters or world trivia from prior entries, but are otherwise stand alone.
Like deltarune.

and this is where i take a fat L

[mrminecraft03]

If you wish to imply a sequel needs to be a direct follow up let me ask:
What abouut gta
What about Final Fantasy
What about SMT
What about Persona
What about Far Cry
What about literally every bethesda game

all of them are series built of sequels purely from the thematic and gameplay aspect.
Occasionally they reference characters or world trivia from prior entries, but are otherwise stand alone.
Like deltarune.

They are not sequels. They can call it what they want, but it isn't by definition. If they don't continue a story, they are not sequels.(havent played FF, Persona)

[Alicitzen]

If you wish to imply a sequel needs to be a direct follow up let me ask:
What abouut gta
What about Final Fantasy
What about SMT
What about Persona
What about Far Cry
What about literally every bethesda game

all of them are series built of sequels purely from the thematic and gameplay aspect.
Occasionally they reference characters or world trivia from prior entries, but are otherwise stand alone.
Like deltarune.

They are not sequels. They can call it what they want, but it isn't by definition. If they don't continue a story, they are not sequels.(havent played FF, Persona)

You yourself made the post that stated thats not even needed.

se·quel
/ˈsēkwəl/Submit
noun
a published, broadcast, or recorded work that continues the story or develops the theme of an earlier one.

Its literally in the definition of sequel you posted.
Note the big stinking OR.
Meaning story continuation isnt a necessity, just a potential factor.
You are literally arguing a point that you already made null.

[Chemist1422]

Well we don’t know how it connects to undertale

[mrminecraft03]

spin-off
noun
noun: spinoff
a byproduct or incidental result of a larger project.

[Alicitzen]

lmao you literally couldnt counter me so have to try and divert.
Just accept the L.

[mrminecraft03]

lmao you literally couldnt counter me so have to try and divert.
Just accept the L.

Im not diverting. The game is a spin-off.

[JoltikIsDubby]

Well we don’t know how it connects to undertale

I like to consider this game a continuation of the true pacifist ending where all the monsters go back up to the surface. So yeah, it's a sequel lol

I like the new and improved battle system, I think it's kinda cool to have spells you can use to put enemies to sleep and spare, etc. The comedy is also fantastic in this game too. All of the characters manage to have great lines, probably because of how well-developed they are.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "your choices don't matter" theme. I think a big part of UT was being able to choice your own path, and the different paths really made it stand out. This game puts extreme emphasis on the fact that your choices will have no effect on the ending. While that's not completely true (there's apparently a pacifist AND a neutral ending), this game really doesn't give you that much freedom when it comes to choosing the story (if you don't count the side quests ig).

But overall, had a great time with this sequel. Looking forward to the next chapters, potentially even paying for them if Fox releases them for money.

[Multiuniverse]

Well we don’t know how it connects to undertale

I like to consider this game a continuation of the true pacifist ending where all the monsters go back up to the surface. So yeah, it's a sequel lol

I like the new and improved battle system, I think it's kinda cool to have spells you can use to put enemies to sleep and spare, etc. The comedy is also fantastic in this game too. All of the characters manage to have great lines, probably because of how well-developed they are.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "your choices don't matter" theme. I think a big part of UT was being able to choice your own path, and the different paths really made it stand out. This game puts extreme emphasis on the fact that your choices will have no effect on the ending. While that's not completely true (there's apparently a pacifist AND a neutral ending), this game really doesn't give you that much freedom when it comes to choosing the story (if you don't count the side quests ig).

But overall, had a great time with this sequel. Looking forward to the next chapters, potentially even paying for them if Fox releases them for money.

It's not the continuation of the true pacifist ending

[JoltikIsDubby]

Well we don’t know how it connects to undertale

I like to consider this game a continuation of the true pacifist ending where all the monsters go back up to the surface. So yeah, it's a sequel lol

I like the new and improved battle system, I think it's kinda cool to have spells you can use to put enemies to sleep and spare, etc. The comedy is also fantastic in this game too. All of the characters manage to have great lines, probably because of how well-developed they are.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "your choices don't matter" theme. I think a big part of UT was being able to choice your own path, and the different paths really made it stand out. This game puts extreme emphasis on the fact that your choices will have no effect on the ending. While that's not completely true (there's apparently a pacifist AND a neutral ending), this game really doesn't give you that much freedom when it comes to choosing the story (if you don't count the side quests ig).

But overall, had a great time with this sequel. Looking forward to the next chapters, potentially even paying for them if Fox releases them for money.

It's not the continuation of the true pacifist ending

I can't believe I seriously needed to point that out (especially considering it's literally the first four words of my post)

I personally consider this a continuation because Kris' character and even appearance are very similar to Frisk's, and it makes sense that Frisk could stay with Toriel given that's a choice you can make at the end of UT. Undyne, Asgore, Toriel, and Alphys work jobs which fit their personalities, interests, and even events from UT, so they haven't changed as characters. The same applies to Sans and Papyrus, but without the "jobs" part. And a couple of scenes from the true pacifist ending credits are actually very similar to some places in DR.

I know this game isn't a true "continuation" because it hasn't developed on any of the already-existing characters, and Frisk is nowhere to be seen. But I feel like the fact that I can still see DR as a continuation ties in to why I think this game is a sequel even by (sarcastic air quotes because I disagree with it) "definition".

[Multiuniverse]

Well we don’t know how it connects to undertale

I like to consider this game a continuation of the true pacifist ending where all the monsters go back up to the surface. So yeah, it's a sequel lol

I like the new and improved battle system, I think it's kinda cool to have spells you can use to put enemies to sleep and spare, etc. The comedy is also fantastic in this game too. All of the characters manage to have great lines, probably because of how well-developed they are.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "your choices don't matter" theme. I think a big part of UT was being able to choice your own path, and the different paths really made it stand out. This game puts extreme emphasis on the fact that your choices will have no effect on the ending. While that's not completely true (there's apparently a pacifist AND a neutral ending), this game really doesn't give you that much freedom when it comes to choosing the story (if you don't count the side quests ig).

But overall, had a great time with this sequel. Looking forward to the next chapters, potentially even paying for them if Fox releases them for money.

It's not the continuation of the true pacifist ending

I can't believe I seriously needed to point that out (especially considering it's literally the first four words of my post)

I personally consider this a continuation because Kris' character and even appearance are very similar to Frisk's, and it makes sense that Frisk could stay with Toriel given that's a choice you can make at the end of UT. Undyne, Asgore, Toriel, and Alphys work jobs which fit their personalities, interests, and even events from UT, so they haven't changed as characters. The same applies to Sans and Papyrus, but without the "jobs" part. And a couple of scenes from the true pacifist ending credits are actually very similar to some places in DR.

I know this game isn't a true "continuation" because it hasn't developed on any of the already-existing characters, and Frisk is nowhere to be seen. But I feel like the fact that I can still see DR as a continuation ties in to why I think this game is a sequel even by (sarcastic air quotes because I disagree with it) "definition".

You can't really use personal opinion as evidence in an argument so even though the "definition" provided defines deltarune as a sequel your personal opinion cannot be used to support the point