Debate Thread

[cmitc1]

me and oily vs NDM and murat.
NOT BALENCED BALENCED





you guys want to start..

[murat1996]

me and oily vs NDM and murat.
NOT BALENCED BALENCED





you guys want to start..

Vampire Hunter is just.....not balanced.

Okay what are we suppose to do?

[cmitc1]

me and oily vs NDM and murat.
NOT BALENCED BALENCED





you guys want to start..

Vampire Hunter is just.....not balanced.

Okay what are we suppose to do?

remove vamps and vh from town of salem.

[oliy]

I'm officially starting this round tomorrow. I want the chance for more people to play.

[cmitc1]

thanks giving events are going to keep me off the forums all week........

but before I go.

I think vampires should be removed, as well as vampire hunters.

if vamps are in game with Vhs in it, vamps will have to pray that the VH gets killed.

if vamps are in a game with no VH, gg! vamps win!

The idea of this role, and the concept of changing the faction of a role Is stupid, and blankmedia is once again, wasting there time.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

thanks giving events are going to keep me off the forums all week........

but before I go.

I think vampires should be removed, as well as vampire hunters.

if vamps are in game with Vhs in it, vamps will have to pray that the VH gets killed.

if vamps are in a game with no VH, gg! vamps win!

The idea of this role, and the concept of changing the faction of a role Is stupid, and blankmedia is once again, wasting there time.

Not sure if this has started, but basically this. IT needs a reVAMP. (I'll leave the forums for that bad pun)

[oliy]

Well I forgot about this...

Are Vampires Balanced?

Team Yes:
Spoiler: Oliy
NDM

Team No:
Spoiler: cmitc1
Murat
Orange

Chubby, join whatever you want soon.
PMs going out now!
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Ready, set, debate!

[NDM]

I think they are just because right now they are used to see the win rate and then they will change them when needed

[oliy]

Let's compare Vampires with Godfathers:
Similarities:
Have an Army
Can use said army to commit actions
Can use said army to gain control over everyone
Can rid town of power they have
Can find and out NKs
Differences:
Replenishing Army with no immunity vs Army that has night actions and immunity
Can mistake their ally (witch) for NK vs can kill their ally

Overall, everything balances out and is similar. The reason the win-rates are there is because in custom, the Vampires have more than one to start with, or too many killers with one vampire.

[murat1996]

Honestly, I just think Vamps are UP and needs a buff, being balance doesn't change it much

[cmitc1]

Let's compare Vampires with Godfathers:
Similarities:
Have an Army
Can use said army to commit actions
Can use said army to gain control over everyone
Can rid town of power they have
Can find and out NKs
Differences:
Replenishing Army with no immunity vs Army that has night actions and immunity
Can mistake their ally (witch) for NK vs can kill their ally

Overall, everything balances out and is similar. The reason the win-rates are there is because in custom, the Vampires have more than one to start with, or too many killers with one vampire.

inb4 Vh, kills your entire vamp army in the first few nights.

[oliy]

Let's compare Vampires with Godfathers:
Similarities:
Have an Army
Can use said army to commit actions
Can use said army to gain control over everyone
Can rid town of power they have
Can find and out NKs
Differences:
Replenishing Army with no immunity vs Army that has night actions and immunity
Can mistake their ally (witch) for NK vs can kill their ally

Overall, everything balances out and is similar. The reason the win-rates are there is because in custom, the Vampires have more than one to start with, or too many killers with one vampire.

inb4 Vh, kills your entire vamp army in the first few nights.

A good rolelist is a town killing and a Vampire, no two or VH or anything like that confirmed. We just have to influence the players.
Also, lynch VH because it's an easy claim
Also, investigative results
Also, other people can kill VH

[cmitc1]

Let's compare Vampires with Godfathers:
Similarities:
Have an Army
Can use said army to commit actions
Can use said army to gain control over everyone
Can rid town of power they have
Can find and out NKs
Differences:
Replenishing Army with no immunity vs Army that has night actions and immunity
Can mistake their ally (witch) for NK vs can kill their ally

Overall, everything balances out and is similar. The reason the win-rates are there is because in custom, the Vampires have more than one to start with, or too many killers with one vampire.

inb4 Vh, kills your entire vamp army in the first few nights.

A good rolelist is a town killing and a Vampire, no two or VH or anything like that confirmed. We just have to influence the players.
Also, lynch VH because it's an easy claim
Also, investigative results
Also, other people can kill VH

OR, VH gets rolled, stabs a vamp,with a name in the death note. becomes a mayor, with protections, that kills vamps. AND AFTER, a vig that can take down mafia.

[oliy]

This about vampires, not vampire hunters. Also, it's the player's fault for messing it up.

[cmitc1]

This about vampires, not vampire hunters. Also, it's the player's fault for messing it up.

VH are what make vamps un-balanced.

Its going to be a key part of my argument.

[oliy]

This about vampires, not vampire hunters. Also, it's the player's fault for messing it up.

VH are what make vamps un-balanced.

Its going to be a key part of my argument.

That's why it works well in ranked. There's no confirmed VH

[cmitc1]

This about vampires, not vampire hunters. Also, it's the player's fault for messing it up.

VH are what make vamps un-balanced.

Its going to be a key part of my argument.

That's why it works well in ranked. There's no confirmed VH

no VH, vamps are op

with VH, vamps are too weak.

Also, i think vamps cant be on ranked anymore.

[oliy]

Vigilante or Veteran can still kill Vamps, balancing it out, plus, you don't need a TK.
Also, any slot i think.

[cmitc1]

Vigilante or Veteran can still kill Vamps, balancing it out, plus, you don't need a TK.
Also, any slot i think.

i like, think they confirmed it can be in ranked, even with any.


anyway, if vamps lose a vamp, they can recover quickly due to there ability.

[oliy]

Exactly, but not too quickly, giving town enough time to get two of them at least, depleting them. Also, there's a cap, so it's not pure evil.
BTW cmitc, you're pic in your sig is out of date. There's VH now

[cmitc1]

Exactly, but not too quickly, giving town enough time to get two of them at least, depleting them. Also, there's a cap, so it's not pure evil.
BTW cmitc, you're pic in your sig is out of date. There's VH now

maybe i can get an artist to drawl me a new role pic.

and btw, i men't to say, its confirmed vamps cant be in ranked up there.


Town cant take on vamps well without a tk, lynching will be a slow process (and if there is a mafia or nk, vamps will not be the biggest worry).

[Arpitr20]

personally, i elieve vamps would eetter off without vh, they still don't win that often.

[cmitc1]

personally, i elieve vamps would eetter off without vh, they still don't win that often.

no, they will win.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

It depends on the situation. Vamps are OVERPOWERED without a VH, as there is no notice as to their existence, letting them get their fill. However, with VH vamps ARE confirmed and it is easy to kill vamps with VH(but I have never been VH. Yet. Never T_T) But overall, since most of the time there is a VH, vamps are underpowered.

[orangeandblack5]

Not a chance.