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Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Fri May 07, 2021 8:11 pm

Cast a vote from the following options, using whatever voting system you like. You choose what the rules are for your ballot. I will endeavor to add together the ballots in a way that follows each ballot's own rules, but makes each person's vote equally powerful overall. This is a single-winner election.

Voting multiple times is fine, subject to the following rules:
  • Only one ballot cast per post
  • Don't post multiple times in a row (forum rule 7)
  • You can't use the same voting system twice - switch it up!

The scores so far:

  • Horseshoes: 1
  • Vampire: 1
  • The Sun: 1
  • pizza: 1
  • Donald Trump: 1
  • Chess: 1
  • Jailor: 1
  • Janitor: 1
  • Doorknob: 1
  • Shellfish: 1
  • Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse: 1
  • (Write-in vote) NoLynch: 1
  • (Write-in vote) ligma: 2
  • (Write-in vote) dolphina: 2

No clear leader has emerged.

Intermediate steps:

Random votes:
  • StlnSP: Flipped heads - 2 votes for ligma

Liquid democracy:
  • dolphina: 2 (including a self-vote)
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Ezradekezra » Fri May 07, 2021 8:59 pm

/vote NoLynch
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby dolphina » Fri May 07, 2021 9:18 pm

/vote Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse but only through big stick diplomacy
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Fri May 07, 2021 10:05 pm

I'll go ahead and cast an Approval vote for Chess, Janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump and The Sun.

dolphina wrote:/vote Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse but only through big stick diplomacy


I'm not familiar with how big stick diplomacy works as a voting system. For now I'll assume it means your vote doesn't count directly, but rather you're making threatening demands for someone else to vote that way.
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby cob709 » Fri May 07, 2021 11:51 pm

all forms of democracy are doomed to fail!
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Sat May 08, 2021 4:14 pm

cob709 wrote:all forms of democracy are doomed to fail!


Well this one certainly is; we're voting about nonsense.

Care to cast a vote while it still hasn't failed yet?
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby alex1234321 » Sat May 08, 2021 8:05 pm

I like approval voting. It has the effectiveness of ranked choice with the simplicity of first past the post.

/vote horseshoes
/vote vampire
/vote jailor
/vote doorknob
/vote boredom, horseman of the apocalypse
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby StlnSP » Sat May 08, 2021 9:45 pm

I'll flip a coin and call heads for ligma
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Sat May 08, 2021 11:40 pm

alex1234321 wrote:I like approval voting. It has the effectiveness of ranked choice with the simplicity of first past the post.

/vote horseshoes
/vote vampire
/vote jailor
/vote doorknob
/vote boredom, horseman of the apocalypse


You just had to cast exactly the opposite of my vote, huh? :lol:

I wouldn't say Approval voting has all the effectiveness of ranked choice. The two systems have pros and cons relative to each other. It would even be possible to combine them into a single "ranked choice approval voting" for the benefits of both, though that still lacks the simplicity of approval voting.

StlnSP wrote:I'll flip a coin and call heads for ligma


I'll take this as "random dictator voting" where one voter is randomly chosen to be the only vote that counts. I can't really make the randomness matter without more people casting random-type ballots, though, so for now that's just one vote for "ligma".

If you meant this to be something else, such as a vote that only has a 50% chance of counting, let me know and I'll change it.
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby StlnSP » Sun May 09, 2021 7:07 am

Brilliand wrote:If you meant this to be something else, such as a vote that only has a 50% chance of counting, let me know and I'll change it.

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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby dolphina » Sun May 09, 2021 9:16 am

My favorite way of diplomacy is big stick diplomacy because if my plan fails i just beat the shit out of them
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Descender » Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 am

/vote NoLynch as a proxy vote for 47 local elderly people who i got to sign a form
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby alex1234321 » Sun May 09, 2021 3:05 pm

Brilliand wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:I like approval voting. It has the effectiveness of ranked choice with the simplicity of first past the post.

/vote horseshoes
/vote vampire
/vote jailor
/vote doorknob
/vote boredom, horseman of the apocalypse


You just had to cast exactly the opposite of my vote, huh? :lol:

I wouldn't say Approval voting has all the effectiveness of ranked choice. The two systems have pros and cons relative to each other. It would even be possible to combine them into a single "ranked choice approval voting" for the benefits of both, though that still lacks the simplicity of approval voting.


In some situations approval voting is more effective than ranked choice. With ranked choice there are rare situations where you are incentivized to rank an option that you don't like as much higher to prevent it from being eliminated. With approval voting there aren't any situations that I'm aware of where you're better off voting for a less favorable option and not one that you prefer. Of course there's still strategy in terms of how many choices you pick, but you're never going to change the order of your preferences the way you might in ranked choice.

How would a combination system work? I'm intrigued.
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby cob709 » Sun May 09, 2021 11:00 pm

I declare that Ezra, Descender, dolphina, Briliand and me will vote in a block.

Ezra, Descender, and me vote for Nolynch
dolphina votes for Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse
Brilliand votes for Chess, Janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump and The Sun.

Nolynch outnumbers Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse, chess, janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump, and The Sun
3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Sun May 09, 2021 11:30 pm

StlnSP wrote:
Brilliand wrote:If you meant this to be something else, such as a vote that only has a 50% chance of counting, let me know and I'll change it.

yeah that


Alright, I'll reflip it every time I recount the votes, and count it double when it comes up heads so it averages out at 1 vote.

It flipped Tails this time.

dolphina wrote:My favorite way of diplomacy is big stick diplomacy because if my plan fails i just beat the shit out of them


Alright, I'm gonna consider the "beat the shit out of them" part not part of my job.

Also am I supposed to include your "big stick" vote in the tally as your personal vote? Because I haven't so far.

Descender wrote:/vote NoLynch as a proxy vote for 47 local elderly people who i got to sign a form


I'm gonna have to see that form. And the forum usernames of every one of those elderly people, 'cause that's what qualifies them to be a voter here.

alex1234321 wrote:
Brilliand wrote:I wouldn't say Approval voting has all the effectiveness of ranked choice. The two systems have pros and cons relative to each other. It would even be possible to combine them into a single "ranked choice approval voting" for the benefits of both, though that still lacks the simplicity of approval voting.


In some situations approval voting is more effective than ranked choice. With ranked choice there are rare situations where you are incentivized to rank an option that you don't like as much higher to prevent it from being eliminated. With approval voting there aren't any situations that I'm aware of where you're better off voting for a less favorable option and not one that you prefer. Of course there's still strategy in terms of how many choices you pick, but you're never going to change the order of your preferences the way you might in ranked choice.

How would a combination system work? I'm intrigued.


I created a new thread for it: Ranked Choice Approval Voting

cob709 wrote:I declare that Ezra, Descender, dolphina, Briliand and me will vote in a block.

Ezra, Descender, and me vote for Nolynch
dolphina votes for Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse
Brilliand votes for Chess, Janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump and The Sun.

Nolynch outnumbers Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse, chess, janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump, and The Sun
3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

Through block voting, all 5 votes go to NoLynch.


If you want to convert other people's votes to Block-type votes, you'll need to get the consent of all parties involved.

I hereby offer to allow my Approval vote to be included as part of a block on condition that that block as a whole casts a Ranked Choice vote, not a single-target vote.
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Ezradekezra » Sun May 09, 2021 11:34 pm

Brilliand wrote:
Descender wrote:/vote NoLynch as a proxy vote for 47 local elderly people who i got to sign a form

I'm gonna have to see that form. And the forum usernames of every one of those elderly people, 'cause that's what qualifies them to be a voter here.

Blatant voter suppression

I was present when the proxy ballots were filled out
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Sun May 09, 2021 11:52 pm

Ezradekezra wrote:Blatant voter suppression

I was present when the proxy ballots were filled out


Yeah but we can't let illegal aliens and dead people vote

That would be cheating

And then Donald Trump might not win get lynched

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...but seriously, I do want to keep it impossible to overrun this "election" with a silly number of votes in a single post. At the same time I do want a large number of ballots cast, though, so I expect pretty soon I'll change the rule from "one vote per person" to "one vote per post in this thread".
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby dolphina » Mon May 10, 2021 2:00 pm

cob709 wrote:I declare that Ezra, Descender, dolphina, Briliand and me will vote in a block.

Ezra, Descender, and me vote for Nolynch
dolphina votes for Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse
Brilliand votes for Chess, Janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump and The Sun.

Nolynch outnumbers Boredom, Horseman of the Apocalypse, chess, janitor, pizza, shellfish, Donald Trump, and The Sun
3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

Through block voting, all 5 votes go to NoLynch.

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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Mon May 10, 2021 11:06 pm

Starting now, everyone is allowed to vote multiple times, subject to the following restrictions:
  • Only one ballot cast per post
  • Don't post multiple times in a row (forum rule 7)
  • You can't use the same voting system twice - switch it up!

As the first ballot cast under the new rules, I cast a liquid democracy vote for dolphina. For now this is a vote for "dolphina", but if dolphina casts a liquid democracy vote of his own, this vote will change to match.
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby cob709 » Mon May 10, 2021 11:33 pm

I stage a revolution to overthrow brilland's rulership and false delusions of democracy, tricking the public to believe we have democratic powers when in actuality, they hold all the decision making powers
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby Brilliand » Mon May 10, 2021 11:57 pm

cob709 wrote:I stage a revolution to overthrow brilland's rulership and false delusions of democracy, tricking the public to believe we have democratic powers when in actuality, they hold all the decision making powers


Yay democracy!

I'm not sure how this revolution thing works. Are you supposed to hit me with a big stick?
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Re: Show off your favorite voting system!

Postby dolphina » Tue May 11, 2021 12:29 am

Brilliand wrote:
cob709 wrote:I stage a revolution to overthrow brilland's rulership and false delusions of democracy, tricking the public to believe we have democratic powers when in actuality, they hold all the decision making powers


Yay democracy!

I'm not sure how this revolution thing works. Are you supposed to hit me with a big stick?

That may be what cob is trying to imply. By the way, cob, can you start an anarchist government coup for me? Thanks :D

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