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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby CheezePie » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:11 am

(and i corrected my A6, i was in the incineration room)

i think frost and beyza are clear for this murder... any objections?

UzayAltay wrote:(Another correction: It isn't the word "crepit", it is ...crepit which means there is an illegible part before it, which is probably part of same word.
Then it continues with what I assumed is six armors, three wooden training swords, sixteen crossbows with at least fifty bolts, two halberds and one spear. )

"decrepit"? still unsure about the word's importance.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:20 am

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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 am

CheezePie wrote:(and i corrected my A6, i was in the incineration room)

i think frost and beyza are clear for this murder... any objections?

UzayAltay wrote:(Another correction: It isn't the word "crepit", it is ...crepit which means there is an illegible part before it, which is probably part of same word.
Then it continues with what I assumed is six armors, three wooden training swords, sixteen crossbows with at least fifty bolts, two halberds and one spear. )

"decrepit"? still unsure about the word's importance.

What bugs me the most is the differences between what Industria told us and the paper I found. Yeah the missing part can be explained by paper being burnt, but Industria mentioned nothing about ...crepit or similar. But the most crucial part is Industria mentioned only 5 armors, when the note I found mentions six.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby cob709 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:30 am

UzayAltay wrote:
CheezePie wrote:(and i corrected my A6, i was in the incineration room)

i think frost and beyza are clear for this murder... any objections?

UzayAltay wrote:(Another correction: It isn't the word "crepit", it is ...crepit which means there is an illegible part before it, which is probably part of same word.
Then it continues with what I assumed is six armors, three wooden training swords, sixteen crossbows with at least fifty bolts, two halberds and one spear. )

"decrepit"? still unsure about the word's importance.

What bugs me the most is the differences between what Industria told us and the paper I found. Yeah the missing part can be explained by paper being burnt, but Industria mentioned nothing about ...crepit or similar. But the most crucial part is Industria mentioned only 5 armors, when the note I found mentions six.
Unsure what does it mean.

That means someone took a set of armor from the armory, presumably the killer or Xiao, since nobody has mentioned of doing such a thing yet.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:37 am

"Is it possible that the word might not be a word in itself? Perhaps an anagram? And if it IS a word, that doesn't mean it's necessarily in English...

Anyway, I think we should prioritise finding the murderer before anything else. Beyza and I are...more-or-less clear, which leaves Bloody, Nova and Industria. Of those three, Industria claims to have seen the victim early in the night, while Bloody claims to have seen Xiao alive in Action four. We know the time of death was between actions three and five, so if Bloody is to be believed, that would mean that Xiao was attacked either at the end of action 4, right after they left Bloody, or at some point in action 5. I'm more inclined to believe that they died at some point in action five, meaning whoever attacked them either was already in the incinerator room...or followed them there.

Bloody claims that Xiao was taking note of what was in the armoury, do you mean as in actually writing it down? That would explain the note that Beyza found whilst investigating.

As for the missing armour...When I investigated the incinerator during the day, it was nearly impossible to approach due to how hot it was, so perhaps the murderer used it as protection when they attacked Xiao? In which case, Xiao was most likely a victim of opportunity rather than premeditation.

At the moment, my main suspects are Bloody and Industria, but Nova needs to speak up some more, as well, regarding their investigations,"
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:51 am

...my investigation didn't turn up anything of note. The one thing worth mentioning is that I didn't see Industria during the third action, but I don't see how else he could have noticed that I was watching the VHS tape.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:46 am

LetitiaWilson wrote:"Is it possible that the word might not be a word in itself? Perhaps an anagram? And if it IS a word, that doesn't mean it's necessarily in English...

Anyway, I think we should prioritise finding the murderer before anything else. Beyza and I are...more-or-less clear, which leaves Bloody, Nova and Industria. Of those three, Industria claims to have seen the victim early in the night, while Bloody claims to have seen Xiao alive in Action four. We know the time of death was between actions three and five, so if Bloody is to be believed, that would mean that Xiao was attacked either at the end of action 4, right after they left Bloody, or at some point in action 5. I'm more inclined to believe that they died at some point in action five, meaning whoever attacked them either was already in the incinerator room...or followed them there.

Bloody claims that Xiao was taking note of what was in the armoury, do you mean as in actually writing it down? That would explain the note that Beyza found whilst investigating.

As for the missing armour...When I investigated the incinerator during the day, it was nearly impossible to approach due to how hot it was, so perhaps the murderer used it as protection when they attacked Xiao? In which case, Xiao was most likely a victim of opportunity rather than premeditation.

At the moment, my main suspects are Bloody and Industria, but Nova needs to speak up some more, as well, regarding their investigations,"

Well, if the armor is taken by murderer, then one of Bloody and Industria is lying.
But which one? This is the question we have in hand.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby CheezePie » Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:17 pm

(sorry, not enough time rn)

(i also noticed the inconsistency between xiao's note and industria's claim about the armours, yeah)

(i'm pretty sure xiao was actually writing the equipment down, but i'll try to remember better)
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:43 pm

Frost, you said that it is possible the victim was attacked, then carried to the incineration room, right?
How much blood do you think would splash around from that attack?
What I assume is not much, as I found no blood trail or sth similar, and the room wasn't cleaned after the murder but still want to hear what you think.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby cob709 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:02 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
LetitiaWilson wrote:"Is it possible that the word might not be a word in itself? Perhaps an anagram? And if it IS a word, that doesn't mean it's necessarily in English...

Anyway, I think we should prioritise finding the murderer before anything else. Beyza and I are...more-or-less clear, which leaves Bloody, Nova and Industria. Of those three, Industria claims to have seen the victim early in the night, while Bloody claims to have seen Xiao alive in Action four. We know the time of death was between actions three and five, so if Bloody is to be believed, that would mean that Xiao was attacked either at the end of action 4, right after they left Bloody, or at some point in action 5. I'm more inclined to believe that they died at some point in action five, meaning whoever attacked them either was already in the incinerator room...or followed them there.

Bloody claims that Xiao was taking note of what was in the armoury, do you mean as in actually writing it down? That would explain the note that Beyza found whilst investigating.

As for the missing armour...When I investigated the incinerator during the day, it was nearly impossible to approach due to how hot it was, so perhaps the murderer used it as protection when they attacked Xiao? In which case, Xiao was most likely a victim of opportunity rather than premeditation.

At the moment, my main suspects are Bloody and Industria, but Nova needs to speak up some more, as well, regarding their investigations,"

Well, if the armor is taken by murderer, then one of Bloody and Industria is lying.
But which one? This is the question we have in hand.

Xiao may have also taken the set of armor himself. "Frost" is probably right about the armor being used as protection for entering the incinerator, but rather than being used by the murderer, it was probably used by the victim.

CheezePie wrote:i think frost and beyza are clear for this murder... any objections?

Beyza is clear because of their alibi with "Frost" and "Frost"'s investigation. However, I find it dubious that Frost could deduce the time of death with a pile of ashes and a leg, which conveniently clears himself.

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Spoiler: In Danganronpa 2, Chapter 3, they could not determine the time of death because of the intense heat in the music venue. Apply that logic the in incineration room and you'll realize it is impossible for them to have determined a time of death due to both the intense heat and lack of an actual body.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:34 pm

(I have one theory. Why I have one theory? Because I cannot set up the murder based on evidence we have in other 3 people. I guess it is obvious why I cannot set it up for Nova and Frost, but deciding between Bloody and Industria is, kind of hard. But I have struggle with setting up the theory for one of them.

Some questions as food for thought:

1. If Bloody attacked the victim, and it happened in armory, why Industria hadn't seen any blood when they went Armory next action?
2. If Industria attacked the victim in armory, what he did between the actions from him coming to armory and him throwing victim to incinerator?
3. How was the victim attacked first?
4. Why the paper note was the only item we found? Despite victim probably having more items?
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Even if Frost lies about time of death, doubt they could really kill between the time period we left and Bloody claimed to see the body in the Incinerator.

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Spoiler: TBH In this chapter (another spoiler attention, DR2 chapter 3, continue at your risk)
















It is left as a question mark whether Mikan intentionally not determined the time of death or it was really not possible to determine it. Because the main issue with heating or cooling the body is it either speeds up (heating) or down (cooling) the post-death processes forensic scientists check to take an approximate time of death. So if it is known if body is heated or cooled, it is still possible to estimate time of death, I believe with less accuracy. I believe the case here was Mikan intentionally lying, cuz she could make the estimation and then adjust it by using the information of heating.

Also I think it is possible to make a prediction of death time in current case as well, but the width of guess would be more than 3 hours I believe.On the other hand, I don't think that is worth to discuss rn.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:37 pm

cob709 wrote:Beyza is clear because of their alibi with "Frost" and "Frost"'s investigation. However, I find it dubious that Frost could deduce the time of death with a pile of ashes and a leg, which conveniently clears himself.


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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:41 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Frost, you said that it is possible the victim was attacked, then carried to the incineration room, right?
How much blood do you think would splash around from that attack?
What I assume is not much, as I found no blood trail or sth similar, and the room wasn't cleaned after the murder but still want to hear what you think.


"It's not completely out of the realm of possibility, but given no evidence of such was found, I feel it more likely they were attacked in the incineration room,"
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:43 pm

LetitiaWilson wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Frost, you said that it is possible the victim was attacked, then carried to the incineration room, right?
How much blood do you think would splash around from that attack?
What I assume is not much, as I found no blood trail or sth similar, and the room wasn't cleaned after the murder but still want to hear what you think.


"It's not completely out of the realm of possibility, but given no evidence of such was found, I feel it more likely they were attacked in the incineration room,"

Or, the attack reached the conclusion without any blood.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:33 pm

"Possible, possible.

The way I see it, there's two possible situations here:

1) Bloody attacked Xiao in the armory and used one of the suits to dispose of the body in the incinerator. This would explain why Industria found one less suit in there. Or Bloody hid Xiao in one of the suits after killing him and disposed of the body in the extra actions...but cause of death was immolation so they must've been killed in the incinerator. Perhaps in action five, then.

2) Industria attacked Xiao in the incinerator, then went to get a suit of armour and used it in the same way. Their insistence that the victim took the suit is contradicted by Bloody witnessing Xiao leave with a note saying how many suits were in there..."



And if you want to play meta, cob, yes, it IS possible to estimate when someone died when all you have is a severed limb through a combination of investigative measures, such as rigor mortis, rate of decomposition, blood coagulation, etc. It's not easy but it can be done.)
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:43 pm

"Hm...

If Industria did indeed go to the armory in action five and found one less suit, that can only mean that Bloody either attacked Xiao in action four, then took them to the incinerator to be disposed of, or they followed Xiao to the incinerator and attacked them there...

Industria, however, is not exactly proving to be unsuspicious with their attempt to divert attention away from themselves..."
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby cob709 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:29 pm

LetitiaWilson wrote:
2) Industria attacked Xiao in the incinerator, then went to get a suit of armour and used it in the same way. Their insistence that the victim took the suit is contradicted by Bloody witnessing Xiao leave with a note saying how many suits were in there..."

Can you explain why there is a contradiction?

LetitiaWilson wrote:Industria, however, is not exactly proving to be unsuspicious with their attempt to divert attention away from themselves..."

I'm sorry if you feel that way.
Feel free to approaching me with any suspicions you had directly.
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:50 pm

If the victim was in one of the suits, then what explains the severed limb?
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby cob709 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:32 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:If the victim was in one of the suits, then what explains the severed limb?

I was gonna say that the armor must've melted, but in the case "Frost" would've found melted iron. You're right, Xiao probably didn't take the armor.
Then, I accuse "Bloody" of taking the armor. Since "Bloody" only left the armory after A5 started, I could not have enough time to take the armor and then kill Xiao before A6.


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LetitiaWilson wrote:Industria, however, is not exactly proving to be unsuspicious with their attempt to divert attention away from themselves..."

I'm sorry if you feel that way.
Feel free to directly approach me with any suspicions you have.

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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby LetitiaWilson » Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:12 am

"If we both survive this trial, whoever voted for me is going to be in for a very bad time,"

Chemist1422 wrote:If the victim was in one of the suits, then what explains the severed limb?


"It seems to have been caused when the victim was shoved into the incinerator 'too haphazardly'. So too rushed? Too aggressively? Not sure,"

dolphina wrote: Avaritia strikes you all with a piercing gaze. …Ae hasn’t uttered a word, yet you still feel afraid.


Frost makes a point of flipping the bird at Avaritia.

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LetitiaWilson wrote:
2) Industria attacked Xiao in the incinerator, then went to get a suit of armour and used it in the same way. Their insistence that the victim took the suit is contradicted by Bloody witnessing Xiao leave with a note saying how many suits were in there..."

Can you explain why there is a contradiction?
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"There is a contradiction in that if Bloody saw Xiao noting how many suits there are, surely he would've also noticed Xiao take one. As well, noting down how many there are when you intend to take one would not make sense,"
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby CheezePie » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:12 am

ah yes, i claim to have seen xiao in the armoury at A4 and to have been in the incineration room at A6 after lying about staying in the casino as the murderer, of course.

i don't think avaritia would confirm i was in casino in A5, so i won't bother asking.

i tried to remember more clearly, and yes, xiao was taking note of the equipment in the armoury, so that note we found should be xiao's.
the thing is, that suit of armour was gone between A4 and A5 because of industria's claim. if this was involved in the murder, then... nova couldn't have grabbed it in that time?

unless she has an ability as the navigator.

so it's just industria or me here?

i'll think about it
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby CheezePie » Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:18 am

(gtg)

can nova give a more detailed alibi, by the way?
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Re: Dangan Ronpa XXVII - Trial 2 - Truth Incinerated to Ash

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:15 am

I don't have much else to say. What more do you want to know?
mist ~ she/her

i guess this is goodbye?
(still here for danganronpa i guess)


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