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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:38 pm

OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:thats wcs and the rolelists fault

Well yes obviously the new rolelist played a big part in making the jailor meta not as good as it used to be. So basically we're all on the same page here, so I don't get why we're arguing.

because nobody will admit theyre both good strats
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:16 pm

Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:thats wcs and the rolelists fault

Well yes obviously the new rolelist played a big part in making the jailor meta not as good as it used to be. So basically we're all on the same page here, so I don't get why we're arguing.

because nobody will admit theyre both good strats


Jailor meta is good strat, no one denies that, but that doesnt changes the fact that is lame and unhealthy for the game and that everything would be better if it had never existed in first place
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:33 pm

syjfwbaobfwl wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:thats wcs and the rolelists fault

Well yes obviously the new rolelist played a big part in making the jailor meta not as good as it used to be. So basically we're all on the same page here, so I don't get why we're arguing.

because nobody will admit theyre both good strats


Jailor meta is good strat, no one denies that, but that doesnt changes the fact that is lame and unhealthy for the game and that everything would be better if it had never existed in first place

you just argued it was bad bc of witch
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:59 pm

Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:21 pm

Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:25 pm

Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:36 pm

Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

the ne subalignment just shouldnt exist
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Ezradekezra » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:47 pm

Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

the ne subalignment just shouldnt exist

Why shouldn't it?
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:38 pm

Descender wrote:
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:thats wcs and the rolelists fault

Well yes obviously the new rolelist played a big part in making the jailor meta not as good as it used to be. So basically we're all on the same page here, so I don't get why we're arguing.

because nobody will admit theyre both good strats


Jailor meta is good strat, no one denies that, but that doesnt changes the fact that is lame and unhealthy for the game and that everything would be better if it had never existed in first place

you just argued it was bad bc of witch


No I wasnt the one who said that
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby OreCreeper » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:32 pm

Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:16 am

OreCreeper wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.

thats a playerbase issue
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby OreCreeper » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:54 pm

Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.

thats a playerbase issue

Yes exactly. My point is that jailor meta would not be OP if evils played well.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:10 pm

OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.

thats a playerbase issue

Yes exactly. My point is that jailor meta would not be OP if evils played well.

but you cant buff a playerbase so
solution: play coven lmao
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby OreCreeper » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:32 pm

Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.

thats a playerbase issue

Yes exactly. My point is that jailor meta would not be OP if evils played well.

but you cant buff a playerbase so
solution: play coven lmao

If the playerbase is just bad then there is nothing to be done. Also, this discussion is centered around classic, so bringing in coven just destroys the whole point of this thread.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Descender » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:36 pm

OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Descender wrote:
OreCreeper wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
Descender wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Add Rolestopper to make the Jailor meta actually bad

ez

why would you do that

Because it's OP asf?

The game also needs some more true NEs anyway so it's a win/win if the devs add Rolestopper

Why is it OP asf? At the very best, it is a decent strategy, but it in no way guarantees town a win currently like it used to 2 years ago. You can argue that it is a decent strat, but to say it is OP right now is just stupid. It is incredibly easy to win as evil if the jailor does meta right now. The problem is, a lot of players don't know how to play evil. They stay quiet during the day (not drawing attention or smth?) when they should be aggressive and trying to lead town down the wrong track. They vote up and guilty their own mafia when it would be easy to get them off the stand. They take a long time to claim or don't claim at all, or maybe they claim vigilante while the witch is alive and get themselves lynched (this should be gamethrowing). If people play like THAT, then obviously town will win, regardless of if the jailor metas or not. But if the evils are active, aggressive, and cooperative, it is easy to thwart a town doing the meta, especially if the jailor is not good at leading or easily sheeped.

thats a playerbase issue

Yes exactly. My point is that jailor meta would not be OP if evils played well.

but you cant buff a playerbase so
solution: play coven lmao

If the playerbase is just bad then there is nothing to be done. Also, this discussion is centered around classic, so bringing in coven just destroys the whole point of this thread.

im pretty sure every problem in classic can be solved with "just spend more money"
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby EqsyLootz » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:02 am

Imagine needing jailor meta to win

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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Kelisidina » Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:14 pm

In my opinion, jailor coming out day 1 now is basically like a veteran coming out day 1. (Ignore obvious vet baits, actual day 1 coming outs). The jailor can’t execute, and the vet won’t be able to alert until witch is dead.


And for the people who say “oh witch can’t go on jailor with LO” notice how you’re basically banking on an LO to exist in game. An LO who might not even see the witch, especially after the nerf.

Orecreeper [and the last post] basically summed up my beliefs and reality of jailor. Aside from a “fuck man” on day 1, if a jailor comes out and actively leads to victory, I have no problem. The reason why so many high elo players hate jailors who come out day 1 is that most of them are noobs who think this is helping them.

If you come out as jailor, town knows you are the only confirmed guy. Logically, every single townie would tell you their role and you are responsible for recording that and saying “I have 3 TK claims” or “put 8 up their Lo will is different”.

And honestly OP, you’re that worried over a jailor dying night one? TKs exist, and town doesn’t fall apart, unless it’s extremely low elo. In that case, town deserves the loss. And like Ore says, 1/11 chance...

And for the people who still think someone should claim jailor early game, how about this?

Be the silent jailor and tell your jailee to claim rbed/witched or transed/witched tomorrow and tell town that they are jailor. You claim escort/trans who was in jailor day 1. This results in you being a high priority target for mafia. This is when VFR comes in. Tell the TP claims to be on you and that you will trans them. If that doesn’t work, whisper the “jailor” to make them go on you. If the person you jailed is town, they will happily oblige. If they’re mafia, they’d now be worried and know that attacking you would be fruitless.

This strategy also allows you to not get witched/rbed, as the roles you shared are immune to rb.

I guess the reason for this post is to not be afraid to take risks and go silent, especially for ridiculously low chances. Also don’t rely on other players’ roles and their TOS intelligence.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Emily372 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:00 pm

I'm so bad at Jailor that every time I play as Jailor, I secretly want to become an Amnesiac so I can remember Medium or Investigator instead. I always lose as Jailor because there are no mediums to keep me company. Furthermore, I always get killed every time I jail someone.
Serial Killer has killed the TT Jailor... and now the Town has congratulated that serial killer for no reason.
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Since there is no medium, the town lost to the SK.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Emily372 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:55 pm

Yemac wrote:As the title says. What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta? I know there is witch, but jailor dying n1 is basically an auto-loss for town since town is too dumb to function without jailor


One time in Ranked Practice, I was the escort, and with the help of the spy I won, without any influences from the Jailor, who was shot by a vigilante.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby Aubrieta » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:54 pm

You should understand with the current game mode, as long as evils get 6v6 and there is no mayor, they pretty much win at that point. With that being said, revealing as jailor and getting witched day 2/3 while evils know full well they won't be executed with witch still hidden and alive is extremely risky for town. Therefore, I always play silent jailor because there's a better chance I stay hidden and execute evils then revealing as jailor and getting witched in the scenario aforementioned. However, you need to be good at your investigative skills to play like this. Meaning you need to be someone that excels at playing investigative roles such as sheriff/investigator and overall confident you will be able to independently catch evils. If you are not good at this and won't be able to land good executions starting day 3 at most, it's better you just do day 1 jailor meta. Otherwise, you'd have done nothing for town and TP/LO won't know to go on you either.
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Re: What is it with this new silent Jailor Meta?

Postby blackaxe3 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:02 pm

Silent Jailor works better than Meta in the current list. When evils get majority by Day 4 (as they almost always do) a meta Jailor will instantly be lynched.
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