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Is TT hunt meta legit?

Postby PatrykSzczescie » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:06 am

When GF, mafioso, RM and witch die before the TT, the countdown of 3 days starts. Town has to kill the TT, otherwise town loses.

The meta of TT hunt is the following:

3 days left:
- Mayor is lynched 100% of times if one is revealed. Town is afraid that possible TT mayor has the greatest potential to win the game.
- TIs, TPs, escorts and vigs are asked to visit alerting vet. Transporters can also die to vet if town can set it properly.

2 days left:
- Jailor, vet, meds and ret claims are left. If there's any other claim alive, they lynch this person.
- With at least 4 living players, they lynch the jailor who has the greatest potential to win the game or ret with dead vig who can also have as great potential to win the game.
- If there's no living vet and there's too many living people, they might sometimes ignore jailor and ret and lynch the scummiest person.

1 day left:
- They lynch the scummiest person.

Conclusions:
- If vet is alive and no meds/ret, the game result strictly depends on whether jailor or vet is TT.
- Town mayor being lynched greatly decreases the chance of town winning.
-> The lynch consumes a day that could be used for real TT.
-> Town mayor has potential to win the game by being the only one alive.
-> Lynching the mayor, town is forced to believe at least two other people not to be TT.
- If you're town, you know you have better chance of winning the game if you're alive but this chance is decreased if town wastes a day to lynch you for not following the meta, therefore:
-> If you're a visiting role, you may claim med or ret. If you have no cc, your chances of surviving and winning greatly increase. You can use your visiting abilities to backup your med/ret claim.
-> If you're mayor, you can claim a visiting role instead of risking being cc'd when claiming med/ret. You promise to visit the vet when there are 3 days left to lynch. If there are 4 players left the following day, you reveal and forcefully lynch for TT. Your chances of winning as mayor is greatly increased if you don't claim mayor.
- In certain situations, town legitly scumhunts for TT on the final day. In the previous days, town lynches only for dangerous roles.
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Re: Is TT hunt meta legit?

Postby kyuss420 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:33 am

PatrykSzczescie wrote:Conclusions:
- If vet is alive and no meds/ret, the game result strictly depends on whether jailor or vet is TT.
TT jailors are kind of easy to spot. TT vets dont usually have alerts left by late game. But theres usually at least 1 confirmed town that doesnt need to die

- Town mayor being lynched greatly decreases the chance of town winning.
False. Town would still have enough votes to lynch a TT. If mayor IS tt, town would not have enough votes to lynch them

-> The lynch consumes a day that could be used for real TT.
It does. But mayor could be real TT

-> Town mayor has potential to win the game by being the only one alive.
TT mayor has potential to win the game by being in the remaining 4 alive

-> Lynching the mayor, town is forced to believe at least two other people not to be TT.
Hence why the mayor is lynched earlier, rather than later. And ofc 2 other people are not the TT. With the old retributionist, this tactic was even more valid

- If you're town, you know you have better chance of winning the game if you're alive but this chance is decreased if town wastes a day to lynch you for not following the meta, therefore:
If youre alive, chances are you are the scummiest player with the scummiest claim. If town decides to lynch you, you have a very low chance of winning the match, as it wastes a lynch. therefore its better to suicide on the vet, so that a lynch isnt wasted on you

-> If you're a visiting role, you may claim med or ret. If you have no cc, your chances of surviving and winning greatly increase. You can use your visiting abilities to backup your med/ret claim.
and if a tracker or LO sees you visiting, you just wasted one of towns lynches, let alone if your fake claim is taking up an RT slot that is already taken. Also if there IS a cc, then youre probly going to cop a few reports along with a wasted lynch for your faction

-> If you're mayor, you can claim a visiting role instead of risking being cc'd when claiming med/ret. You promise to visit the vet when there are 3 days left to lynch. If there are 4 players left the following day, you reveal and forcefully lynch for TT. Your chances of winning as mayor is greatly increased if you don't claim mayor.
unless theres a vigi or jailor alive, and you mislynch a townie instead of the tt. They will assume youre tt at that point and kill you

- In certain situations, town legitly scumhunts for TT on the final day. In the previous days, town lynches only for dangerous roles.



The thing is, the only player trying to live during the TT hunt, is the actual traitor. Everyone else can win if theyre dead, traitor cant. But who knows... maybe BMG will remove Vet from TT one day...
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Re: Is TT hunt meta legit?

Postby PatrykSzczescie » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:19 am

kyuss420 wrote:
PatrykSzczescie wrote:Conclusions:
- If vet is alive and no meds/ret, the game result strictly depends on whether jailor or vet is TT.
TT jailors are kind of easy to spot. TT vets dont usually have alerts left by late game. But theres usually at least 1 confirmed town that doesnt need to die
It depends on the TT strategy. The potential TT can use the meta for their favor and as vet/jailor ask townies to gladly suicide. And there's no way since the ret rework to confirm a townie other than dying so no one is clear.

- Town mayor being lynched greatly decreases the chance of town winning.
False. Town would still have enough votes to lynch a TT. If mayor IS tt, town would not have enough votes to lynch them
Ofc TT mayor lynched is town win. But town always lynches the mayor for being a dangerous role rather than scumreading. And from townie's point of view the chance to win by believing the mayor is the same as the chance of winning by lynching the mayor and believing someone else other than mayor. The only difference is that mayor at some point of the game doesn't have to defend himself from being lynched while other roles have to throughout the game.

-> The lynch consumes a day that could be used for real TT.
It does. But mayor could be real TT

-> Town mayor has potential to win the game by being the only one alive.
TT mayor has potential to win the game by being in the remaining 4 alive

-> Lynching the mayor, town is forced to believe at least two other people not to be TT.
Hence why the mayor is lynched earlier, rather than later. And ofc 2 other people are not the TT. With the old retributionist, this tactic was even more valid
With the old retributionist, the strategy could work, but now there's a situation of no clears.

- If you're town, you know you have better chance of winning the game if you're alive but this chance is decreased if town wastes a day to lynch you for not following the meta, therefore:
If youre alive, chances are you are the scummiest player with the scummiest claim. If town decides to lynch you, you have a very low chance of winning the match, as it wastes a lynch. therefore its better to suicide on the vet, so that a lynch isnt wasted on you
Yeah, it trully depends if you can towntell well to avoid getting lynched and scumhunt well to try lynching for the TT. You can carry the game if it happens there's you, jailor and vet and the game hasn't ended yet, meaning that either jailor or vet is the TT. No one even asks if your claim is real because TT is expected to claim their role.

-> If you're a visiting role, you may claim med or ret. If you have no cc, your chances of surviving and winning greatly increase. You can use your visiting abilities to backup your med/ret claim.
and if a tracker or LO sees you visiting, you just wasted one of towns lynches, let alone if your fake claim is taking up an RT slot that is already taken. Also if there IS a cc, then youre probly going to cop a few reports along with a wasted lynch for your faction
Trackers usually out reports on day. Lookouts are on clear townies. So if you just keep those things in mind, you can avoid dying. If you happen to have someone countering your claim, you simply say you'll suicide to vet tonight. It might be worth to just try. And later on, once you fake-claim med/ret there's no point visiting anyone at all since there's only TT left and whoever you visit doesn't matter.

-> If you're mayor, you can claim a visiting role instead of risking being cc'd when claiming med/ret. You promise to visit the vet when there are 3 days left to lynch. If there are 4 players left the following day, you reveal and forcefully lynch for TT. Your chances of winning as mayor is greatly increased if you don't claim mayor.
unless theres a vigi or jailor alive, and you mislynch a townie instead of the tt. They will assume youre tt at that point and kill you
If you have power by lynching, you can lynch the jailor or vig first. Also, vig usually suicides to vet at this point or kills a random townie the night before.

- In certain situations, town legitly scumhunts for TT on the final day. In the previous days, town lynches only for dangerous roles.



The thing is, the only player trying to live during the TT hunt, is the actual traitor. Everyone else can win if theyre dead, traitor cant. But who knows... maybe BMG will remove Vet from TT one day...


Some can say you as townie expect to have as many other people dead as possible to decrease the number of living players thus increasing the chance of winning. Town's main priority is to get to 3 players left as soon as possible then try 1/3 chance to win the game. Winning with more people alive is less likely.
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Re: Is TT hunt meta legit?

Postby ProjectSuperBoy » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:15 am

Lynching the mayor is a terrible move if the only reason you lynch them is that they are revealed Mayor. You have to include other factors otherwise it is your fault if town loses as a result of that, or at the very least you have to play the rest of the match with precision. The argument I have seen is that Mayor revealing is not a good defense, but that is incorrect. When Mayor reveals is important. If Mayor reveals only when you vote them up, then it is rather unlikely that they are the traitor because they revealed only in a situation to save themselves, which is not enough to win the game. The TT Mayor has to either help Mafia survive or help lynch townies, it makes no sense to claim that Mayor revealing as a defensive move means nothing before F05 because you still have ample time to lynch them if you suspect them of being the TT later since you only have 3 days anyway.
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