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Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby EgyptFalcon » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:20 pm

It's a god**** epidemic, I swear. This didn't used to be the case, but now about 1/4 or 1/3 of my games contain someone fakeclaiming jailor. Sometimes it is mafia, but it's actually mostly town doing this absolutely idiotic strategy. I can't even call it a strategy, really. It should 100% be considered gamethrowing, yet every time I lynch or execute a fake jailor that's actually town, I get flamed for some stupid reason. It's really starting to get on my nerves when town purposefully play bad so that they can blame you for being wrong when you go after them.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby Taddyaus » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:18 pm

Im sorry what ?
This is a strategy it can work for town at times and evils. You will get flamed regardless its just a nature of the game sadly. But calling this not a strategy when ive seen town win so many times by fake jailor claims til can work out the real jailor. Its just learning to scum read and look through peoples lies.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby EqsyLootz » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:10 pm

Faking Jailors in ranked is a VERY Good strategy among higher level players. It can protect you with TP and LO I.E if you're mayor claiming Jailor. If the Jailor is smart they'll let you play along meanwhile the jailor might claim Sherif.

By fakeclaiming Jailor you are essentially
- giving yourself protection
- Protecting the real Jailor from Consorts and Witches.
- Giving Jailor another day to live.

It's a smart strategy and should not be considered gamethrowing.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby Taddyaus » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:48 pm

EqsyLootz wrote:Faking Jailors in ranked is a VERY Good strategy among higher level players. It can protect you with TP and LO I.E if you're mayor claiming Jailor. If the Jailor is smart they'll let you play along meanwhile the jailor might claim Sherif.

By fakeclaiming Jailor you are essentially
- giving yourself protection
- Protecting the real Jailor from Consorts and Witches.
- Giving Jailor another day to live.

It's a smart strategy and should not be considered gamethrowing.


100% This, it can be a strong meta, if you have a good jailor and the person claiming is strong enough.
It's pretty dumb of a escort to claim jailor, but a mayor that shit can be OP.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:09 pm

EqsyLootz wrote:Faking Jailors in ranked is a VERY Good strategy among higher level players. It can protect you with TP and LO I.E if you're mayor claiming Jailor. If the Jailor is smart they'll let you play along meanwhile the jailor might claim Sherif.

By fakeclaiming Jailor you are essentially
- giving yourself protection
- Protecting the real Jailor from Consorts and Witches.
- Giving Jailor another day to live.

It's a smart strategy and should not be considered gamethrowing.


Then you have alerting veterans doing this
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby cob709 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:44 pm

haven't played tos recently but it actually is a good strat.

as mafia, you can claim jailor to throw TPs onto you and give you an opportunity to kill real jailor
as town, you can counter the above strat by fake claiming jailor. especially as veteran(though there's a risk to doing it as veteran)
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby Ezio216707 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:07 am

cob709 wrote:haven't played tos recently but it actually is a good strat.

as mafia, you can claim jailor to throw TPs onto you and give you an opportunity to kill real jailor
as town, you can counter the above strat by fake claiming jailor. especially as veteran(though there's a risk to doing it as veteran)



Doing it as veteran is a good way to get roasted in dead chat
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby Ezradekezra » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:05 am

If you fake Jailor and don't reveal as a Mayor D2 then I'm exeing you without question.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby cob709 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:36 pm

Ezio216707 wrote:
cob709 wrote:haven't played tos recently but it actually is a good strat.

as mafia, you can claim jailor to throw TPs onto you and give you an opportunity to kill real jailor
as town, you can counter the above strat by fake claiming jailor. especially as veteran(though there's a risk to doing it as veteran)



Doing it as veteran is a good way to get roasted in dead chat


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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby Ichbinderubermensch » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:22 pm

It's a moronic play gamethrowers will try to present as an "outside-of-the-box" strategy that in practice only exposes the most important role of Town while also makes yourself look scum. Jailor's survival is essential for Town to have better chances to win a Ranked Classic Game for 2 obvious reasons:
- Jailor's ability is gamebreaking. It basically functions as 4 roles in one
* Forces your target to claim a role (TI)
* Gives Powerful defense to your target (TP)
* Can deliver a Powerful Attack to your target (TK)
* Roleblocks your target, even if they're RB immune (TS)
- Jailor is the only confirmed Town in the role list.

Besides, no other Town role is more compatible or optimal with TP/LO (which also includes spy and escort) than Jailor is.
If you fake claim Jailor as TI or TP, you risk getting rb'ed by escort and have no way to confirm yourself D2.
If you fake claim Jailor as Vet, Esc, Ret or Trans; Spy will call out your RB immunity in their bug.
If you fake claim Jailor as Vigi or Med; you've no way to confirm yourself D2.
If you fake claim Jailor and get jailed, you've no way to confirm yourself D2 (unless you're a Mayor) and all TP/LO/Spy/Esc will call you out as scum.
Thus, the only viable Town role that could reliably pull a fake claim Jailor and not get hanged is Mayor (and even then you'll be forced to reveal when Jailor eventually comes out or you got jailed). But, is it worth the risk? Mayor is only useful lategame (and most ranked game only last between N4-N5). What if Jailor gets cleaned/forged N1? Since Town expects the jailor claim to lead vfr, what if you vfr the real Jailor? What if Jailor simple doesn't trust you and CCs leading to a mislynch if you've a weak role? You can try, but don't expect others to follow your sub-optimal strategy to the letter, especially because it favours evils more than town.

"B-but Witch/Cons won't be able to RB jailor!"
Jailor meta is not about securing Jailor's executions; it's about confirming as many Townies as possible N1 while also ensuring Town will have at least 1 confirmed Townie to lead the vfr D2.
Jailor TP/LO
- Confirms LO
- Confirms Spy if there's a escort
- Confirms a potential list of TPs or all TPs if there were less than 3 visits and no RM visited jailor
- Confirms Esc if there's a spy and no RM visited jailor
- Mafia is forced to send a RM to Jailor to deny Spy, Escort or TPs get instantly confirmed by LO
- LO, TP, Spy and Esc become risky fake claims for scum
- Since there's no NK, there's no counterplay (aside from scum cc jailor D1) or punishment for it.


"Mafia will not know how is jailor!"
But now they a chance to hit Jailor N1 with absolute impunity and you'll look scum when the Jailor dies unless you've one of the two easy-to-confirm Town roles (Mayor or Trans)

tl,dr: high risk - low reward.
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Re: Fake Jailors in Ranked

Postby cob709 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:28 pm

last night i played a game where someone named themselves "jailor"
they proceeded to say "i am jailor" D1
they were the last mafia member alive
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