ChilledChaos cheating with screenshots

[ibney000]

Chilled is bae, hope to play with him one day.

I think you missed the point of the thread. :/

[devilmegs]

The videos they make are ass. I guess its because they only appeal to people who are braindead, i honestly would be happy to see them getting banned for the sole reason of bringing annoying fucks into the community, cheating doesnt help either.

Look, I don't think I have to point out that you're being rude. You quoted my post where I said I like their videos in your post about how they only appeal to "braindead" people. It's a matter of opinion. I hate their cheating and their actual ToS skills are VERY lacking, but I still like their banter and I don't enjoy watching the other games they play.

That being said, if they did get banned, I'd move on. I'm not the type to be a die-hard fan for anybody. So my opinions are unbiased, and I can see why there are so many interests involved that it's not easy for the devs to just ban them.

I'm surprised how many of you are complaining that the devs should be focused on quality vs. quantity, yet you probably expect them to fix every problem, read every report and basically dedicate their working hours to the game. How are they supposed to be profitable and maintain the game if they permanently ban all the youtubers? I'm fairly certain there would be evidence of cheating at some point or another from almost every single youtuber who has played.

There DOES need to be a punishment or at least a stern warning for the DC, especially considering how stern the punishment is for "common folk". I don't understand why they aren't shaping up. You'd think they'd understand how important it is for the continuation of their series.. but then again maybe they did get a free card.

(I'm not upset or feeling argumentative, sometimes my tone doesn't come across right in text and I was getting that feeling that I should include the disclaimer, haha. I feel like this will be my last post on the matter as I've said all I have to say )

[parkerparkour]

Pleaaaase do not argue. ;_;
Deleted flame war inducing posts.

I....DISAGREE
*thunder cracks*

[headgehog29]

The videos they make are ass. I guess its because they only appeal to people who are braindead, i honestly would be happy to see them getting banned for the sole reason of bringing annoying fucks into the community, cheating doesnt help either.

Look, I don't think I have to point out that you're being rude. You quoted my post where I said I like their videos in your post about how they only appeal to "braindead" people. It's a matter of opinion. I hate their cheating and their actual ToS skills are VERY lacking, but I still like their banter and I don't enjoy watching the other games they play.

That being said, if they did get banned, I'd move on. I'm not the type to be a die-hard fan for anybody. So my opinions are unbiased, and I can see why there are so many interests involved that it's not easy for the devs to just ban them.

I'm surprised how many of you are complaining that the devs should be focused on quality vs. quantity, yet you probably expect them to fix every problem, read every report and basically dedicate their working hours to the game. How are they supposed to be profitable and maintain the game if they permanently ban all the youtubers? I'm fairly certain there would be evidence of cheating at some point or another from almost every single youtuber who has played.

There DOES need to be a punishment or at least a stern warning for the DC, especially considering how stern the punishment is for "common folk". I don't understand why they aren't shaping up. You'd think they'd understand how important it is for the continuation of their series.. but then again maybe they did get a free card.

(I'm not upset or feeling argumentative, sometimes my tone doesn't come across right in text and I was getting that feeling that I should include the disclaimer, haha. I feel like this will be my last post on the matter as I've said all I have to say )

It's not about going on a witch hunt against youtubers its about youtubers following the same rules as everyone else. Right now the developers seem to be ignoring the cheating that certain youtubers are doing and hope that the community does as well. I even like the derp crew I enjoy most of their videos but it annoys me when youtubers feel that they are above the average gamer and that they can do what ever they want.

[shelboo]

Ohh boy. Most recent episode:
Chilled admits to being Jailor. Smarty admits to being Medium. Galm admits to being Escort.
Town Random died off first. Executioner and Jester died early as well.
Smarty tells how the dead think Dr Fresh is possibly Serial Killer (which he was) so they lynched him.


By his friends proving their roles, Chilled knew the people he was jailing were lying about their roles. Chilled executed all of the mafia and Town won the game.

>_> That honestly... is brutal. Mega cheating.

[Mroz4k]

Devilmegs, dont worry too much about Gobln. [Removed for slight violation of Rule 11]
Dont take his rude attitude too much against yourself, every one of us is different and thats just how he is.

Nobody is holding it against you for watching them - if you know that what they do is wrong, then its allright with most of us. I personally watch on very rare occasion a vid or two of them too. They are funny. But thats not reason to cheating - which is something you know

[ibney000]

The videos they make are ass. I guess its because they only appeal to people who are braindead, i honestly would be happy to see them getting banned for the sole reason of bringing annoying fucks into the community, cheating doesnt help either.

Look, I don't think I have to point out that you're being rude. You quoted my post where I said I like their videos in your post about how they only appeal to "braindead" people. It's a matter of opinion. I hate their cheating and their actual ToS skills are VERY lacking, but I still like their banter and I don't enjoy watching the other games they play.

That being said, if they did get banned, I'd move on. I'm not the type to be a die-hard fan for anybody. So my opinions are unbiased, and I can see why there are so many interests involved that it's not easy for the devs to just ban them.

I'm surprised how many of you are complaining that the devs should be focused on quality vs. quantity, yet you probably expect them to fix every problem, read every report and basically dedicate their working hours to the game. How are they supposed to be profitable and maintain the game if they permanently ban all the youtubers? I'm fairly certain there would be evidence of cheating at some point or another from almost every single youtuber who has played.

There DOES need to be a punishment or at least a stern warning for the DC, especially considering how stern the punishment is for "common folk". I don't understand why they aren't shaping up. You'd think they'd understand how important it is for the continuation of their series.. but then again maybe they did get a free card.

(I'm not upset or feeling argumentative, sometimes my tone doesn't come across right in text and I was getting that feeling that I should include the disclaimer, haha. I feel like this will be my last post on the matter as I've said all I have to say )

First, don't mind Gobln. He's a great guy he just gets REALLY into what he believes in. He knows your not brain dead.

Yes it is easy for them to just ban them. Its been at least 6 months now. All the other youtubers stopped. These guys kept going. Over, and over, and over. This is their 4th warning I believe. I don't know what monopoly deck were playing with, but there are allot of "get out of jail free" cards.

At this point, were very fed up with it and are kinda discussed at the favoritism there is towards the youtubers here. I know if I did this I would get banned. So why the hell does he get a free pass? Yea IK you know this but still. Its ridiculous.

At some point other youtubers will do start doing the same thing. Once they see the derp crew getting away with everything, why should they think they wont?

No one is above the law. No one. That is a firm belief of mine. The biggest person I hate is a hypocrite. Its my number 1 pet peeve. I will leave if this doesn't get sorted out. I'm kinda done at this point.

[DeathBell]

I am a big fan of the Derp Crew and I enjoy their content. What they do is cheating and there is no doubt about that. The reasoning behind cheating is to entertain their audience and get views since Views = Money.

I can definetly understand why they do it but it's still wrong and bannable. I do not however think that permabanning will do anything as they will just move on with some other game and be the same. Temporarly bans will have a better effect as it actually encourage them to learn from their mistake and still enjoy the game while bringing more players to the game.

Do people really think that the trolls/cheater that use the " xxx did this too" argument would not find another reason to troll/cheat? The amount of trolls per every 100 player has been pretty much the same since Minx and her friends started advertising the game and the other youtubers like the Derp Crew has at worst marginally changed that. I've played this since March and the amount of trollgames has been the same for me as it was back then.

Don't get too hyped about the trial system as I don't believe it will affect the negative that much. Look at LoL, They still have the most toxic community of the MOBA genre even with their trial system. It's even worse then Dota2 somehow and that community is garbage.

Unfortunately it's been pretty obvious since the start that the developers wouldn't care too much about the community and I'm not suprised at all that it's like this where the money is more important then the game.
I'm very sorry if I come out rude and thats not how they feel about it but it damn looks like thats the case.

[headgehog29]

I am a big fan of the Derp Crew and I enjoy their content. What they do is cheating and there is no doubt about that. The reasoning behind cheating is to entertain their audience and get views since Views = Money.

I can definetly understand why they do it but it's still wrong and bannable. I do not however think that permabanning will do anything as they will just move on with some other game and be the same. Temporarly bans will have a better effect as it actually encourage them to learn from their mistake and still enjoy the game while bringing more players to the game.

Do people really think that the trolls/cheater that use the " xxx did this too" argument would not find another reason to troll/cheat? The amount of trolls per every 100 player has been pretty much the same since Minx and her friends started advertising the game and the other youtubers like the Derp Crew has at worst marginally changed that. I've played this since March and the amount of trollgames has been the same for me as it was back then.

Don't get too hyped about the trial system as I don't believe it will affect the negative that much. Look at LoL, They still have the most toxic community of the MOBA genre even with their trial system. It's even worse then Dota2 somehow and that community is garbage.

Unfortunately it's been pretty obvious since the start that the developers wouldn't care too much about the community and I'm not suprised at all that it's like this where the money is more important then the game.
I'm very sorry if I come out rude and thats not how they feel about it but it damn looks like thats the case.

The problem with a temp ban is that they have already been warned and they are still cheating. You already brought up the crux of the argument which is that they do this because they care more about their views than they do about the rules of whatever game they play and as long as their fans enjoy it they will continue. If you temp ban them than either they will just completely move on, which I think is unlikely, or they will play legit for a while and then go back to playing however they want, which is what happened when they got warned. I don't really care if others are cheating because of them or not, what matters is that the people in charge of TOS are giving YT and streamers a pass to do whatever they want to and that is the main issue.

[DeathBell]

If warning isn't effective then temporarly ban them. If they haven't learned after 2-3 temporarly bans then we can start talking about permaban as they obviously don't care. The same idea should be implemented to common people to at least make it less unfair.

We all know why the developers give youtubers and streamers a free pass. They give the game more players and more money by exposing the game thus making them pretty hard to shut down as the developers. The best we can do about the situation is to gather up a significant amount of people and leave the game until developers agree to do something about it. However I doubt this will happen as many of the players don't give a crap and keeps playing.

[Mroz4k]

First, just saying: There are no temporary bans. All punishment is either warning, permanent ban with chance to appeal and permanent ban without it.

On other more interesting news - I got a response to the tweet I sent out a week ago, by Chilled Chaos. We had a conversation - and it was less then pleasant for me. So, if you are going to read it, go ahead but be warned: Expect sarcasm, mild insults mostly coming from our belowed celebrity, and in the end incredible amount of salt.

Only read it if you are interested, dont complain to me that its not Report related because it is.
Since we had quite the conversation, I will go step-by-step with a sentence or two of explanation so it all fits together nicely.
Spoiler: Before I start, I have to give him a thumbs up for one thing - he didnt involve his fans. If he did, I would probably have to block my Twitter for a month. From his side, these tweets are private, but from my point, they are public. Since you can clearly see them on my Twitter, I might as well post them here for reference to the opinion of the accused, because he did mention several times what he thinks of this ´´accusations of cheating´´.
He is a dick, but at least he is not a complete asshole.

On top of that, he scouted through a week´s worth of my tweets to find the one where I was mocking him (like I sometimes do with the celebrities) and he responded to that as well, trying to discredit my initial claim.
In other words, Chilled Chaos told ME to ´´act mature if I want to be taken seriously´´. I kid you not.
Pay attention my Tweet is April 30th, his response was 4 hours ago (8th of May).

My response was that I sometimes make fun out of celebrities, no harm meant.
I finished it off saying that I am usually taken more serious then he will ever be - as his intention was to offend me personaly, so that was my personal response back.

At this point, some of my friends joined in the conversation. No need to pay attention to Trevor - he is a good guy, but as well a fan of Chilled´s, he decided to stay out of it.
Mr. Chilled is starting to go really on the roll with his arrogant statement that what I claim is all just me, and my vendetta. Partially, I guess he is right. I do have very good reasons to be so Anti-Chilled. That is because I completely despise people who think they are better then others. I hate egoists (I hate myself too, so the score is settled there).

And finally, I am not scared to say what I think out loud, because I would rather say what problem I have to someone´s face then plot behind their backs and gossip. I may be harsh but you have my word that I will be honest with you.

I am being childish in this whole conversation, clearly. And aparently I called him braindead, which is not even in my repertoar, and in order to use so harsh insult, I would have to get REALLY mad. Anyways, lets continue.

Here is where Chilled Chaos stops his roll on me for a bit, but then he picks off from the different part once again.
In the meantime, friend of mine joined the conversation as well, at first her purpose was to stop us from arguing - so I argumented that I am just defending myself from being called a child, delusional, above help, revenge-lusting God-knows-what.

After he continued in her argument, I completedly stood down, and only observed.

I also dared him to state his defense here on this thread. Finally I completedly finished by claiming that I am not scared of his fans, but he sure is scared of the truth.
He continued on my adress.

Finally, he blocked me. I suppose I was insulting him too much, wouldnt give him peace... Poor guy.

And thats the end. I believe he, the poor, tormented guy had to block us all because we, the harpies, wouldnt give him peace.

My opinion: Arrogant self-centered prick, also incredible coward for not standing up to you guys in here.
If your opinion is different, thats fine. I made mine quite clear today, seeing what all is a person capable to write to another just because they got butthurt over being called out on something they are obviously doing.

In words of my own friend - he knows he is cheating but he is using every insult and ever excuse to try and talk his way out of this one.

Thanks goes to all the people who retweeted the original tweet, and to my friend Mothra for standing up in my stead because we were in right, not him.

And if someone believes I am doing all of this out of a personal vengeance, please go ahead. Just know that I was the one who used to suggest a mild punishement, and I started asking him nicely at first. To be always completely ignored.


Well, cheaters always loose in the end. That is the natural order of things.
As of today, I lost the last shred of respect I had for the man.

[Nellyfox]

Respect.

[Mroz4k]

Scratched that.

I guess I really DID piss him off badly.

Now its the fans that are starting to clutter my Twitter.

This is going to be fuuuun!

(not my first tango with a YouTuber, but this time the YouTuber is 10 times more famous...)

[LetitiaWilson]

Scratched that.

I guess I really DID piss him off badly.

Now its the fans that are starting to clutter my Twitter.

This is going to be fuuuun!

(not my first tango with a YouTuber, but this time the YouTuber is 10 times more famous...)

I just read through the current lot of comments. Now, please excuse me while I go and bash my head on a wall.

[Ansem555]

You have my support, Mroz, and I'm sure a few others do too. Proud of you for standing up for what is right for our game. I'd like to help more, but with Twitter having its silly limitation I couldn't get all I would want to say and that would frustrate me quickly. Keep a level head, stiff upper lip and a strong spine.

[Greenpandalover]

Atm Im in an argument with one of my friends who is defending Chilled....

Ugh he keeps pulling the "He's a Youtuber" card.

[Mroz4k]

You have my support, Mroz, and I'm sure a few others do too. Proud of you for standing up for what is right for our game. I'd like to help more, but with Twitter having its silly limitation I couldn't get all I would want to say and that would frustrate me quickly. Keep a level head, stiff upper lip and a strong spine.

No worries, my friend Moth has me back covered

I am actually enjoying this, it seems that all the haters come in hell bent on defense of chilled but then after few tweets go back with dumb faces or smiles once them meet my apathy

For a hater, I couldnt care less.

And I will thoroughfully enjoy those 200 notifications tommorow morning

[shelboo]

Tbh, I don't think it's being handled properly on both ends.

But Chilled really needs to get off his high horse. How HARD is it to play in private games with your fans? The guy clearly has enough interested people who would gladly meet up.

People say, ohhh it's not a big deal. It's just a game.
Okay, well say EVERY game ever played (video games, sports, etc) consisted of cheating. THEN would people care? The point of games is to have fun and NOT at the expense of others fun.

Play with your own damn fans this way NO one would be upset by it. It's a win-win. The fans get their entertainment and get to play with their youtuber. Chilled gets to continue making videos.

Be a man and play fair, Chilly.

[devilmegs]

It's not about going on a witch hunt against youtubers its about youtubers following the same rules as everyone else. Right now the developers seem to be ignoring the cheating that certain youtubers are doing and hope that the community does as well. I even like the derp crew I enjoy most of their videos but it annoys me when youtubers feel that they are above the average gamer and that they can do what ever they want.

Yes, it annoys me too. I know it's not a witch hunt against youtubers.. but I really do think cheating happens more naturally when youtubers are playing it (because of using Skype and seeking entertainment value with their game) and I really do think every single youtuber's had at least 1 instance of cheating in 1 of their ToS videos (even if it wasn't them doing it, or if it was an accident). To be fair to all the people who have been banned, realistically they all should be. But that would be silly for the success of the game

First, don't mind Gobln. He's a great guy he just gets REALLY into what he believes in. He knows your not brain dead.

Yes it is easy for them to just ban them. Its been at least 6 months now. All the other youtubers stopped. These guys kept going. Over, and over, and over. This is their 4th warning I believe. I don't know what monopoly deck were playing with, but there are allot of "get out of jail free" cards.

At this point, were very fed up with it and are kinda discussed at the favoritism there is towards the youtubers here. I know if I did this I would get banned. So why the hell does he get a free pass? Yea IK you know this but still. Its ridiculous.

At some point other youtubers will do start doing the same thing. Once they see the derp crew getting away with everything, why should they think they wont?

No one is above the law. No one. That is a firm belief of mine. The biggest person I hate is a hypocrite. Its my number 1 pet peeve. I will leave if this doesn't get sorted out. I'm kinda done at this point.

I don't mind the Gobln, just wanted to point out that it was a tad insensitive. Takes more than that to hurt me though

I understand being fed up completely. I understand hating the favoritism. It IS ridiculous.
My point was just that it's a bit hard for them to act so harshly against the derp crew because their videos consistently get the highest views of all the ToS videos. Not only that, but I think we're all aware how fierce the "fans" can be. I wouldn't be surprised if banning the derp crew resulted in a boycott of ToS being retweeted throughout the fans.

Deathbell and shelboo - I especially agree with your posts.

Mroz4k - Dunno how helpful the back-and-forth will prove to be, but maybe he's lashing out because he's surprised by the backlash, deep down. I know on the surface he seems to not be taking the message seriously, but who knows? Maybe part of it is sinking in. I wish him well and I hope they manage to work out the information-sharing problem.

[headgehog29]

Yes, it annoys me too. I know it's not a witch hunt against youtubers.. but I really do think cheating happens more naturally when youtubers are playing it (because of using Skype and seeking entertainment value with their game) and I really do think every single youtuber's had at least 1 instance of cheating in 1 of their ToS videos (even if it wasn't them doing it, or if it was an accident). To be fair to all the people who have been banned, realistically they all should be. But that would be silly for the success of the game

Their cheating wasn't accidental in the slightest though, the first post in this topic was Chilled posting a screenshot of his role on twitter, also they have already been warned but are still doing it. The tweets he made today show that he thinks what he is doing is fine, which suggests that he isn't going to stop even if he is warned/ temp banned.

I don't mind the Gobln, just wanted to point out that it was a tad insensitive. Takes more than that to hurt me though

I understand being fed up completely. I understand hating the favoritism. It IS ridiculous.
My point was just that it's a bit hard for them to act so harshly against the derp crew because their videos consistently get the highest views of all the ToS videos. Not only that, but I think we're all aware how fierce the "fans" can be. I wouldn't be surprised if banning the derp crew resulted in a boycott of ToS being retweeted throughout the fans.

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Then let his fans boycott the game, the game was doing well before the derp crew even played the game, they haven't added as much as what people think especially since the game can still be played for free I believe.

[Deleter]

ChilledChaos should be permanently banned for repeated cheating and a DoS(Delete on Sight) issued on any alts he may make in the future.

There is no excuse for this shit, he has been warned in the past.

[BYB64]

I'm honestly rather disappointed that a YouTuber I actually rather liked is constantly cheating, and not only that is going out of his way to excuse himself for it, ignore fan's concerns, and even go out of his way to change the topic by digging through people tweets and publicly attack them?
That's just not on.

From what I have gathered he has had several warnings in the past, and he clearly does not seem to care about this or the fans that have concerns. Even if he is a YouTuber with a rather large following, that doesn't excuse his behaviour of cheating and attacking other ToS regulars!
In fact, it's the total opposite; with as much influence as he has he should really be acting more like a role model, and not a god damn child the moment someone takes a jab; he could have been realms more responsible than that, and he's only promoting more trolls and cheaters to turn up into the game thinking they can be the next Trainer Red/Blue traitor-gamethrow combo.

I don't know about you but I am none to impressed about his off-video persona from the impression I have gathered from those tweets. Mroz, you get mad respect from me for putting up with that, and we'll be backing you up when you need us. I'm glad someone directly approached him, and annoyed that that was the reaction gained.

(Apologies if any of that doesn't make sense, contradicts in some way, or is generally just a mess; I might have written that in slight amount of contempt that someone I enjoyed watching would act in such a way...)

[headgehog29]

I'm honestly rather disappointed that a YouTuber I actually rather liked is constantly cheating, and not only that is going out of his way to excuse himself for it, ignore fan's concerns, and even go out of his way to change the topic by digging through people tweets and publicly attack them?
That's just not on.

From what I have gathered he has had several warnings in the past, and he clearly does not seem to care about this or the fans that have concerns. Even if he is a YouTuber with a rather large following, that doesn't excuse his behaviour of cheating and attacking other ToS regulars!
In fact, it's the total opposite; with as much influence as he has he should really be acting more like a role model, and not a god damn child the moment someone takes a jab; he could have been realms more responsible than that, and he's only promoting more trolls and cheaters to turn up into the game thinking they can be the next Trainer Red/Blue traitor-gamethrow combo.

I don't know about you but I am none to impressed about his off-video persona from the impression I have gathered from those tweets. Mroz, you get mad respect from me for putting up with that, and we'll be backing you up when you need us. I'm glad someone directly approached him, and annoyed that that was the reaction gained.

(Apologies if any of that doesn't make sense, contradicts in some way, or is generally just a mess; I might have written that in slight amount of contempt that someone I enjoyed watching would act in such a way...)

I agree with you completely I enjoy Chilled's videos and his tweets today were extremely disappointing, especially that he seems to state that he actually read this topic and not only does he think that he has done nothing wrong but he also seems to think we are the idiots for being upset with how he carries himself on TOS.

[BYB64]

The fact that he took a look at this topic and proceed to brush everything off as nothing is just the icing on the cake when it comes to the bigger picture; such an attitude towards these kinds of actions, a denial of taking responsibility for your actions in-game, catalyses the idea in thousands of Town of Salem player's minds that cheating, gamethrowing and other sloppy play in game is acceptable, and that you're obligated to react to people saying otherwise with excessive amounts of vitriol, just because a big name is doing it
I thought this guy was cool, but this is absolutely appalling behaviour for someone of his status in the YouTube community.

Chilled has clearly had more than enough chances from what I have read; something needs to be done, and if you ask me, losing a few potential players simply because you took action is far less of a loss than gaining thousands who completely destroy the game for other people.
The latter makes many more people leave due to countless amounts of unsavoury people, and it is already getting to be a big, big problem thanks to the sheer amount of apathy going on on the higher rungs. Some YouTubers aren't caring that they're breaking the rules (Chilled is probably but one example, albeit a more major example), and very little is being done in terms of moderator action for these types of people either. Seriously, how many times has this guy been warned or caught cheating by this point? Surely more than enough to incite at least a temporary ban.

If you ask me, a temporary ban from ToS might well be what Chilled needs in order to wake up and smell the coffee. His ToS series is very popular, and if he's temporarily banned, his view count will fall until he can make more videos again. And I know from various sources that when you become a popular YouTuber you get obsessed with the numbers. However, this is only my suggestion; I am by no means a be-all-end-all in terms of moderator actions of any kind.

[LevinSnakesRise]

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