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Hello ma dudes/dudets

I have decided to completley rework the most versatile town role.... The Beggar.

Credits to Parallax the rework god for helping me with this rework.

Here is the rolecard

Beggar

Alignment: Town Support

Abilities: You may use an ability of your choice each night (NOT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE I AM BAD AT WORDING OK?)

Attributes:
- You may investigate someone to know if they are Mafia/Coven.
- You may give someone a bulletproof vest which will give them a basic defense
- You may also use a roleblock which will stop a detrimental action
- You may only use these actions every 2 nights
- You may not use the same actons twice in a row
- Your target won't be notified of the roleblock

Goal: Lynch all criminals and evildoers

why do you think town needs a jack of trade town role with .5 actions a night, that does thing the existing town roles already do but only every other night, why does town need this, what does it add to the game?

Mystoc wrote:why do you think town needs a jack of trade town role with .5 actions a night, that does thing the existing town roles already do but only every other night, why does town need this, what does it add to the game?

This role is meant to give town a little bit more of a chance if they are running low on certain things (it is also good early game). The amount of times it can use a night action is close to irrelevant unless you think it could help balance the game.

A JOAT. A fucking JOAT.
Are you out of your fucking mind?

I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.

ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.

I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot would this help?

@Lemonader I love that constructive criticsm and reasoning. I also love how you aren't telling me why JOAT's are bad.

Zee235 wrote:

ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.

I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot

JOATs aren't balanced

lemonader666 wrote:

Zee235 wrote:

ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.

I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot

JOATs aren't balanced

oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.

lemonader666 wrote:

Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.

If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them

Zee235 wrote:

lemonader666 wrote:

Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.

If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them

1. It's still strong
2. It still saves people from mafia/sk
3. It's a buffed escort
And it's unfair to other roles

lemonader666 wrote:

Zee235 wrote:

lemonader666 wrote:

Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.

If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them

1. It's still strong
2. It still saves people from mafia/sk
3. It's a buffed escort
And it's unfair to other roles

1. Not as strong as sheriff which is arguably the weakest TI rooe
2. Maybe so
3. Let's be real here, escorts power comes from how confirmable they are. While yes this may be in ability terms buffed, It isn't as confirmable.

-Guard a player, giving them basic defense. They will not know they were protected if attacked, and you will not know either.
-Your role block is only interactive with non-town.
-You interrogate a player.

*Cannot use a ability in succession.
**Cannot use an ability three nights in a row.

Note: Yes I did help rework this. That doesn’t mean it’s going to become balanced. Although ~ I do think a JOAT has potential, and this role isn’t bad, honestly. It’s only potentially unbalanced ability is the role block which has a filter, but there wasn’t any thing else that really came to mind in terms of utility for town, and wasn’t confirmable.

Example :
N1: Interogate
N2: Guard
N3: Stay home
N4: Interrogate/Roleblock

The beggar is very irrelevant and the beggars have no bulletproof vests.

OgiMogi wrote:The beggar is very irrelevant and the beggars have no bulletproof vests.

What do you mean by irrelevant?

Make each ability 1-shot. Thats objectively the most balanced

ManateeDude wrote:Make each ability 1-shot. Thats objectively the most balanced

Not really when you take into account potential for no practical impact.

JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum

BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum

What about this role is confirmable?

Parallax7 wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum

What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).

BasicFourLife wrote:

Parallax7 wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum

What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).

Provide an example.

BasicFourLife wrote:

Parallax7 wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum

What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).

The abilities shouldn't be hard to fake if they aren't confirmable. Which these aren't.