The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

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The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:05 pm

Hello ma dudes/dudets

I have decided to completley rework the most versatile town role.... The Beggar.

Credits to Parallax the rework god for helping me with this rework.

Here is the rolecard

Beggar

Alignment: Town Support

Abilities: You may use an ability of your choice each night (NOT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE I AM BAD AT WORDING OK?)

Attributes:
- You may investigate someone to know if they are Mafia/Coven.
- You may give someone a bulletproof vest which will give them a basic defense
- You may also use a roleblock which will stop a detrimental action
- You may only use these actions every 2 nights
- You may not use the same actons twice in a row
- Your target won't be notified of the roleblock

Goal: Lynch all criminals and evildoers
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Mystoc » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:41 pm

why do you think town needs a jack of trade town role with .5 actions a night, that does thing the existing town roles already do but only every other night, why does town need this, what does it add to the game?
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 pm

Mystoc wrote:why do you think town needs a jack of trade town role with .5 actions a night, that does thing the existing town roles already do but only every other night, why does town need this, what does it add to the game?


This role is meant to give town a little bit more of a chance if they are running low on certain things (it is also good early game). The amount of times it can use a night action is close to irrelevant unless you think it could help balance the game.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:24 pm

A JOAT. A fucking JOAT.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby ARandomDouche » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:41 am

I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:00 am

ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.


I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot would this help?

@Lemonader I love that constructive criticsm and reasoning. I also love how you aren't telling me why JOAT's are bad.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:01 am

Zee235 wrote:
ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.


I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot

JOATs aren't balanced
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:04 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Zee235 wrote:
ARandomDouche wrote:I don't like a Jack-of-all-trades role. I feel like this is more powerful than most roles just due to that, plus it can do this every damn night.

/nosupport.

At least make its ability on a cool down or limited.


I have been thinking of making the abilities 2 shot

JOATs aren't balanced


oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:31 am

Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:37 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.


If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:41 am

Zee235 wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.


If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them

1. It's still strong
2. It still saves people from mafia/sk
3. It's a buffed escort
And it's unfair to other roles
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:49 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Zee235 wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Zee235 wrote:oof you commented while I edited. Care to explain why they are unbalanced?

They are buffed versions of whatever hybrid they came from.


If you are talking about the abilities themselves then

It has a nerfed sheriff ability
It has a nerfed doctor ability
It has an unconfirmable roleblock ability

All I have to do is basically put a different limit on them

1. It's still strong
2. It still saves people from mafia/sk
3. It's a buffed escort
And it's unfair to other roles


1. Not as strong as sheriff which is arguably the weakest TI rooe
2. Maybe so
3. Let's be real here, escorts power comes from how confirmable they are. While yes this may be in ability terms buffed, It isn't as confirmable.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby BS4125 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:48 am

Please be cordial when giving feedback.

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Oooooooo Mister Power over here!

And would you look at that, I was on the forums longer then you.

But overall the role for this topic needs work, I mean it's so bad people would rather
get off topic lol.

solola is a mod you retard
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Parallax7 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:39 am

-Guard a player, giving them basic defense. They will not know they were protected if attacked, and you will not know either.
-Your role block is only interactive with non-town.
-You interrogate a player.

*Cannot use a ability in succession.
**Cannot use an ability three nights in a row.

Note: Yes I did help rework this. That doesn’t mean it’s going to become balanced. Although ~ I do think a JOAT has potential, and this role isn’t bad, honestly. It’s only potentially unbalanced ability is the role block which has a filter, but there wasn’t any thing else that really came to mind in terms of utility for town, and wasn’t confirmable.

Example :
N1: Interogate
N2: Guard
N3: Stay home
N4: Interrogate/Roleblock
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby OgiMogi » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:15 am

The beggar is very irrelevant and the beggars have no bulletproof vests.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:42 am

OgiMogi wrote:The beggar is very irrelevant and the beggars have no bulletproof vests.


What do you mean by irrelevant?
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby ManateeDude » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:08 am

Make each ability 1-shot. Thats objectively the most balanced
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Parallax7 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:12 pm

ManateeDude wrote:Make each ability 1-shot. Thats objectively the most balanced


Not really when you take into account potential for no practical impact.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:27 pm

JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum
I am kindly telling you to fuck off mate.

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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Parallax7 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:58 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum


What about this role is confirmable?
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby GoodestBoi » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:03 pm

It needs limited shots or its just better than every role.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:17 pm

Parallax7 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum


What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).
I am kindly telling you to fuck off mate.

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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Parallax7 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:32 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Parallax7 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum


What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).


Provide an example.
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Re: The COMPLETLEY REWORKED Beggar

Postby Zee235 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:35 pm

BasicFourLife wrote:
Parallax7 wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:JOATs are basically semi confirmable and we don’t need any hard claimable roles for Scum


What about this role is confirmable?

Multiple abilities make it harder to claim and fake. Unless we add a Mafia JOAT (Mafioso kind of is one already but not exactly what i mean).


The abilities shouldn't be hard to fake if they aren't confirmable. Which these aren't.
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