Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

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Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby junkymonky43 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:43 am

Name: Tracer

Alignment: Mafia(Deception)

Abilities:
- Cover up one mafia member each night.

Attributes:
- The mafia member will come up a NS to the Sherrif
- The spy will not see your visits toward other Mafia members
- The Mafia member will count as Good towards the Psychics visions.
- You may not cover up a Godfather
- When there is no other killing roles left , you will become a Mafioso.
- You will become a Mafioso if you and the Godfather are the last two Mafia Members alive.
Special Attributes:
- You will not spawn if there is only a Godfather.
Goal:
- Kill anyone who will not submit to the mafia.
Win Conditions:
- Same as Mafia.
Investigative Results:
- Your target is very reclusive. They must be a Survivor, Vampire Hunter, Witch, Medusa, Psychic , or Tracer.
- Your target covers up the tracks of Mafia members. They must be a Tracer!


Additional Information:
This could also be a disguiser buff.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby TurkeyGod » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:14 am

Kind of overpowered, hard-counters every Town Investigative role.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby Shilster » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:16 am

TurkeyGod wrote:Kind of overpowered, hard-counters every Town Investigative role.


Framer tried to do that and failed.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby TurkeyGod » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:20 am

Shilster wrote:
TurkeyGod wrote:Kind of overpowered, hard-counters every Town Investigative role.


Framer tried to do that and failed.



This is different from the framer, framer has a small chance of making a town member look like a mafia member and is also easily countered by the spy. This role gives the mafia immunity to the psychic, sheriff, and investigator and it also has astral visits so that even the spy can't counter it.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:28 am

TurkeyGod wrote:
Shilster wrote:
TurkeyGod wrote:Kind of overpowered, hard-counters every Town Investigative role.


Framer tried to do that and failed.



This is different from the framer, framer has a small chance of making a town member look like a mafia member and is also easily countered by the spy. This role gives the mafia immunity to the psychic, sheriff, and investigator and it also has astral visits so that even the spy can't counter it.


That all sounds amazing, I /support this idea.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:26 am

reverse framer this role is bad

it will only ever be useful if there a TI alive and the select your mafia the night you also select them

only use for this is spy confusing since spy doesnt target anyone to see visits this OP vrs spy

vrs sheriff and Inv this role is shit cause it condition for ever being useful will be so low you will just be a mafia vote once TI is dead you are literally useless

also psychic still gets innocent people in their vision when they get a vision of who is bad so your mafia could appear as one of the two good people anyway so that useless for physic

seems like you tried to copy dragons framer buff idea but did it in a weird way and reversed the effect to mafia instead of town

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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby junkymonky43 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:53 am

TurkeyGod wrote:
Shilster wrote:
TurkeyGod wrote:Kind of overpowered, hard-counters every Town Investigative role.


Framer tried to do that and failed.



This is different from the framer, framer has a small chance of making a town member look like a mafia member and is also easily countered by the spy. This role gives the mafia immunity to the psychic, sheriff, and investigator and it also has astral visits so that even the spy can't counter it.


Should I take out the investigator counter then? Also it has to have astral vists because it would out mafia members.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby junkymonky43 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:02 pm

Mystoc wrote:reverse framer this role is bad

it will only ever be useful if there a TI alive and the select your mafia the night you also select them

only use for this is spy confusing since spy doesnt target anyone to see visits this OP vrs spy

vrs sheriff and Inv this role is shit cause it condition for ever being useful will be so low you will just be a mafia vote once TI is dead you are literally useless

also psychic still gets innocent people in their vision when they get a vision of who is bad so your mafia could appear as one of the two good people anyway so that useless for physic

seems like you tried to copy dragons framer buff idea but did it in a weird way and reversed the effect to mafia instead of town

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Mafia is meant to confuse TI and decept people into thinking others are bad. There usually is one or more TI in the game. Im going to change the investigator conditions. You're obviously not understanding the point of the role.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:29 pm

junkymonky43 wrote:
Mystoc wrote:reverse framer this role is bad

it will only ever be useful if there a TI alive and the select your mafia the night you also select them

only use for this is spy confusing since spy doesnt target anyone to see visits this OP vrs spy

vrs sheriff and Inv this role is shit cause it condition for ever being useful will be so low you will just be a mafia vote once TI is dead you are literally useless

also psychic still gets innocent people in their vision when they get a vision of who is bad so your mafia could appear as one of the two good people anyway so that useless for physic

seems like you tried to copy dragons framer buff idea but did it in a weird way and reversed the effect to mafia instead of town

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Mafia is meant to confuse TI and decept people into thinking others are bad. There usually is one or more TI in the game. Im going to change the investigator conditions. You're obviously not understanding the point of the role.


this is barely more useful then framer and that saying something its situational and relies on to many factors to get any use out of its ability (besides with spy)
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby FoxGames05 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:18 pm

junkymonky43 wrote:Name: Tracer

Alignment: Mafia(Deception)

Abilities:
- Cover up one mafia member each night. OK interesting

Attributes:
- The mafia member will come up a NS to the Sherrif
- The spy will not see your visits toward other Mafia members
- The Mafia member will count as Good towards the Psychics visions.
- You may not cover up a Godfather well duh!
- When there is no other killing roles left , you will become a Mafioso.
- You will become a Mafioso if you and the Godfather are the last two Mafia Members alive. I'd say remove this, since it doesn't make much sense
Special Attributes:
- You will not spawn if there is only a Godfather. Semi- Role dependencey, but I'll let it slide
Goal:
- Kill anyone who will not submit to the mafia.
Win Conditions:
- Same as Mafia.
Investigative Results:
- Your target is very reclusive. They must be a Survivor, Vampire Hunter, Witch, Medusa, Psychic , or Tracer.
- Your target covers up the tracks of Mafia members. They must be a Tracer!


Additional Information:
This could also be a disguiser buff.


/support. This role is interesting, and I'd like to see it in game.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby junkymonky43 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:49 pm

FoxGames05 wrote:
junkymonky43 wrote:
- You will become a Mafioso if you and the Godfather are the last two Mafia Members alive. I'd say remove this, since it doesn't make much sense


/support. This role is interesting, and I'd like to see it in game.

The reason I have it that way is because its ability is useless when there is only a GF alive , and it can't cover up itself.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception)

Postby junkymonky43 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:51 pm

TrueGuardian32 wrote:
That all sounds amazing, I /support this idea.

Thank you for the support!

Poll added! I also sent mods a PM for TG!

This role is now summited for TG! Make sure you vote for it!
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby junkymonky43 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:04 pm

bumping this for voting phase
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby BasicFourLife » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:22 pm

junkymonky43 wrote:Name: Tracer

Alignment: Mafia(Deception)

Abilities:
- Cover up one mafia member each night.

Attributes:
- The mafia member will come up a NS to the Sherrif
- The spy will not see your visits toward other Mafia members
- The Mafia member will count as Good towards the Psychics visions.
- You may not cover up a Godfather
- When there is no other killing roles left , you will become a Mafioso.
- You will become a Mafioso if you and the Godfather are the last two Mafia Members alive.
Special Attributes:
- You will not spawn if there is only a Godfather

Since this role covers up tracks, make it so if a Tracker tracks that member of the Mafia it would say that, that member visited no one. If you add this change you could remove the *Become Mafioso if GF and you only Maf roles left* since it would then still have some along w the Psychic thing.
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby Seththeking » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 pm

A Reverse Framer, I like it /Support
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby BS4125 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:54 am

Please justify your opinions, even if it is positive feedback; this will make it easier for the OP to understand what people think is good about the role.

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BS4125 wrote:Please post relevant posts to the topic at hand and not digress. Also please explain your opinions otherwise your contribution is sub-zero.


Oooooooo Mister Power over here!

And would you look at that, I was on the forums longer then you.

But overall the role for this topic needs work, I mean it's so bad people would rather
get off topic lol.

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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby otgrancor » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:00 pm

when an investigator visits you, he gets roles from every faction so how can this even counter invest?
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby Shilster » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:08 pm

otgrancor wrote:when an investigator visits you, he gets roles from every faction so how can this even counter invest?

What?????
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby otgrancor » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:17 pm

what does investigator see when he investigates a covered up mafia member
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby BasicFourLife » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:56 am

otgrancor wrote:what does investigator see when he investigates a covered up mafia member


There is nowhere written that it affects the Investigator.

Can you cover up yourself?
Does the cover up last 1 night?
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Re: Tracer- Mafia(Deception) [VOTE PLEASE!]

Postby Soulshade55r » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:22 pm

It's like Opposite framer it's kinda interesting Tbh.
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