The Bartender (Neutral Evil) - Coven Update

Old Role Ideas

What is your opinion on this role? (please critique if not "Excellent")

Excellent
62
35%
It needs a bit of tweaking, but very good
61
35%
It has potential, but changes are needed
24
14%
It might work, but lots of improvements are needed
10
6%
Awful
18
10%
 
Total votes : 175

The Bartender (Neutral Evil) - Coven Update

Postby JamesD28 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:01 am

Name: Bartender

You are the owner of a bar who serves drinks to others.

Alignment: Neutral (Evil)

Day Ability: None.

Night Ability:
-Select a target at night to intoxicate them, affecting their abilities for the night/next day (see "Effect(s) on role" for details).
-Click on the Moon icon at the top of the screen to view the effects for each role (approximation in below spoiler:)
Spoiler: Image

Attributes:
-You have 5 drinks to serve.
-You will know the role of the person you intoxicate.
-Your target will not know they are intoxicated.

Special Attributes: Unique role, Roleblock immunity, Bite immunity.

Goal: Ensure the Town loses the game.

Win Conditions:
Wins with the Survivors
Wins with the Mafia
Wins with the Serial Killers
Wins with the Arsonists
Wins with the Witches
Wins with the Werewolves
Wins with the Vampires
Wins with the Bartenders
Must kill the Town

Investigative results:
Sheriff - Your target is not suspicious.
Sheriff (after intoxicating TI) - Your target is a Bartender!
Investigator - Your target is skilled at disrupting others. They are either an Escort, Transporter, Consort or Bartender.
Witchsigliere - Your target intoxicates others. They must be a Bartender!

Effect(s) on role:
Spoiler: Regular Roles:

Investigator - Roleblocked.
Lookout - Falls out of tree and alerts people. Will be killed if the person they watched was attacked.
Sheriff - Sheriff's target will show as not suspicious, regardless of their faction (unless checking a Bartender who has intoxicated a TI)
Spy - Will not see who Mafia visits, and will not be able to read whispers the next day.
Jailor - Cannot Jail a target the next day.
Vampire Hunter - Cannot stake Vampires, will be converted if bitten by a Vampire on the same night.
Veteran (not alerting) - No effect.
Veteran (on alert) - Stays on alert, kills Bartender and anyone who visits.
Vigilante (not shooting) - No effect.
Vigilante (shooting) - Loses courage - will not shoot their target if either them or their target is visited by someone else.
Bodyguard - If their target is attacked, they will kill the attacker and the person they were guarding.
Doctor - Can only heal from attacks by a Serial Killer. Doctor's target will still die from all other attacks.
Escort - Will roleblock their target and anyone who visits. Will die if they roleblock a Mafia Killing.
Mayor (unrevealed) - Will automatically reveal the next day.
Mayor (revealed) - Their vote will only count as 1 for the next day. Can be whispered to.
Medium - Will not be able to seance if they die the same night.
Retributionist - The player who is revived will be permanently intoxicated.
Transporter - Transportation will not go through - Targets against transported players will not be swapped.
Disguiser - Cannot disguise.
Forger - Forging doesn't go through (still retains ability usage)
Framer - Framer's target will still appear NS
Janitor - Janitor will only remove their target's last will - their role will still be shown.
Godfather - Cannot vote the next day, and loses contact with Mafia the next night.
Mafioso - Loses contact with Mafia chat the next night.
Blackmailer - Blackmails themself.
Consigliere - Gets an Investigator's result for their target, instead of an exact role.
Consort - Cannot roleblock a killing role (Vig, Jailor, SK etc.)
Amnesiac - Roleblocked.
Survivor - Loses a vest.
Vampire (Youngest) - Will be staked by a Vampire Hunter if they visit the same target.
Executioner - Loses immunity for the night.
Jester - Cannot haunt a guilty voter if they are lynched the next day.
Witch - See Coven Leader.
Arsonist - Loses courage - will not douse if either them or their target is visited by someone else.
Werewolf (staying home) - Immune to intoxication (attacks Bartender and all other visitors)
Werewolf (rampaging) - Will attack only attack their target, and not the visitors.
Serial Killer - Loses courage - will not kill if either them or their target is visited by someone else.
Bartender - No effect.

Coven Update Roles:

Hypnotist - The Hypnotist will get the same notification they chose for their target.
Ambusher - Ambusher will roleblock target instead of attacking them.
Hex Master - Unhexes all hexed players.
Poisoner - If a player is poisoned the same night the Poisoner is intoxicated, the attack will take 2 days to take effect.
Potion Master - Removes 1 of each Potion.
Medusa - Victim's role will still be shown.
Necromancer - Will be roleblocked if they reanimate a killing role.
Coven Leader - Target Coven Leader controls will instead be intoxicated.
Crusader - Crusader's attack will prioritize Town visitors over Mafia, Coven and Neutral visitors.
Tracker - Target knows they are being followed.
Trapper - Will deactivate the first trap the Trapper placed.
Psychic - Will not receive any information for the next 2 nights.
Guardian Angel - Roleblocked.
Pirate - Pirate will not plunder even if their attack is successful.
Plaguebearer/Pestilence - Spreading of the plague will be delayed by 1 day.
Mystery NK - Unknown.

Testing Grounds Roles:

Scientist - Loses sample from previous night (has to start over)
Watcher - Same effect as Lookout.
Electrician - Gets electrocuted if a charged player visits another charged player the same night.
Shadowalker - Lookouts will see both you and your target visiting.
Drug Dealer - See Hypnotist.
Necromancer - Roleblocked.
Politician - Target will remain in control of their vote.
Nightmarer - Will have a nightmare about the person they visited the same night.
Undertaker - Target is not buried even if they die.
Lost Spirit - The curse will only be lifted if they weren't killed.
Orphan - Cannot be saved (will become the role of their attacker even if they were saved)
Ghost - Visiting killers will instead attack the Ghost.
Rain Dancer - The Rain Dancer will be caught out in the rain, and will appear on the drenched list.
Auditor - Audited targets will only lose 1 ability charge.
Mystic - Cannot enchant.
Tax Collector - Loses the tax of the last person they visited (will be informed).
Coroner - Will only know how many people voted at all.
Paradoxist - Time is set to 11 o'clock.
Mortician - Will not get an additional bury or witness the killer if they visit someone who is killed.
Stalker - Attempted visits to the Stalker's target will be redirected to the Stalker.
Distributor - The Distributor will take the place of their 2nd target.
Interviewer - Both targets will appear to be equally trustworthy.
Musician - Loses a serenade.
Cannibal - Doesn't gain the abilities of the last person they ate.
Psychic - Will not be able to form a link for the next night.
Surgeon - Will not obtain the win conditions of the next person they heal.


Notifications:
-"You have decided to intoxicate [player name] tonight."
-"Your target was jailed so you could not intoxicate them!"
-(For Transporter): "Someone occupied your night. You were roleblocked!"

In-game abbreviations/slang:
-"Bartender": "Bar"/"Bart"
-"Intoxicate"/"Intoxicated": "Tox", "Intox"/"Toxed"

Achievements:
First Come, First Serve (20 MP) - Intoxicate someone.
Shot (20 MP) - Win your first game as a Bartender.
Pint (20 MP) - Win 5 games as a Bartender.
Bottle (40 MP) - Win 10 games as a Bartender.
Fish Bowl (100 MP) - Win 25 games as a Bartender.
This round's on me! (40 MP) - Intoxicate 5 people in one game.
Drinking on the Job (40 MP) - Intoxicate yourself.
Keeping 'em Sober (40 MP) - Win without intoxicating anyone.
Traffic Jam (100 MP) - Prevent 3 transportations in one game.
Gridlock (100 MP) - Prevent 50 transportations.

Additional Information:
-Intoxication only lasts one night.
-The Bartender does not need to "live" to see the Town lose. Therefore, the Bartender can win with evils, even if they were killed.
-To make things easier for the Bartender, effects for each role can be viewed in-game by clicking on a moon icon. This will open a scrollable list.
-After the Bartender intoxicates a Town Investigative, Sheriffs will be able to find the Bartender.
-After the Bartender intoxicates any Mafia member, the Godfather will show as a Mafia member to the Sheriff.
-The Bartender can only intoxicate the same player up to two times.
Last edited by JamesD28 on Thu May 18, 2017 10:43 am, edited 31 times in total.
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby Spectre0 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:23 pm

Ridiculously confusing, convoluted, and harms everyone despite having to win with town.

N o s u p p o r t
User avatar
Spectre0
Bodyguard
Bodyguard
 
Posts: 232
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:18 pm
Location: 15-18-21-22-1-17 12-2-8

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby awa2001 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:25 pm

You obviously spent a lot of time on this, but JESUS CHRIST MAN! I lost you when you had different effects for literally every single role. That's nuts. Not trying to come off as nasty here, but no one is gonna be able to keep track of all that during a game. It's just going to feel like random stuff is happening. Especially for the bartender, because they need to know the effects on every single role. There are some good ideas here, I like the thought of a neutral that tries to hinder the town like the Witch, but it needs to be WAY less complicated. This went overboard.
awa2001
Spy
Spy
 
Posts: 125
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:09 am
Location: Salem, MA

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:46 pm

I've made a few tweaks to some of the roles which may have had an OP effect (E.g. Vigilante killing target and visitors).
Spectre0 wrote:harms everyone despite having to win with town.

The Bartender doesn't win with Town, they win with everyone except the Town (hence Neutral Evil).
awa2001 wrote:It's just going to feel like random stuff is happening. Especially for the bartender, because they need to know the effects on every single role.

Yeah, they will. And if the role did happen to be implemented for whatever reason, at first it would be difficult to understand and know what's happening to your target and the person they visit.
But there's only as many effects as there are roles. When a player first starts the game, they have 33 entirely different roles to learn, and they have no clue what each role does or how to play as it. The only way they can truly learn, is by playing as the roles. Over time, they learn each role and how to use it effectively. And once they've got enough experience, it gets to the point where they can be given a role and know what it is, what it does, and how to use it to support their faction without a second thought. The same applies to the Bartender; after playing as it enough, it will become second nature to pick a target, and know exactly what effect it will have.

It's still a work in progress tbh. If it's still too chaotic for its goal to kill the Town, then perhaps it would do better as a Neutral Chaos, with its personal, independent goal.
Any more feedback is very much appreciated.
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby SuperPacmaniaMaker » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:51 pm

I don't like it because it's confirmable.
People can easily identify the Bartender because they have been informed that they get intoxicated.

It is also a Neutral Consigliere. That is not good. We already have the Witch doing that.
I do like some of the amusing effects they do, but it's kind of a lot of specifics to remember...but even then, the role is more devastating to Mafia than town. If a bartender visits evils, he basically ruins them. And there's nothing they can do about it.
It also should not be allowed to force a Mayor to reveal or force the Veteran to go on alert.

Roles that can confirm their presence should be avoided as much as possible because proving a role's existence will only take up claim space which makes things easier for the overpowered town faction to figure out.



My solutions:
-Make it to where, if the bartender visits an evil role, they get benefits. Not bad consequences. It makes sense to help your teammates, and not hurt them
-Take away the intoxication messages to avoid easy confirmation
If you don't want a stupid answer, then don't ask a stupid question.
User avatar
SuperPacmaniaMaker
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 301
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:50 pm
Location: None of your stinkin' business!

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:29 pm

SuperPacmaniaMaker wrote:My solutions:
-Make it to where, if the bartender visits an evil role, they get benefits. Not bad consequences. It makes sense to help your teammates, and not hurt them
-Take away the intoxication messages to avoid easy confirmation

Intoxication message is removed and effects have been reworked to favor evil roles. Thanks for the suggestions! :D
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby SuperPacmaniaMaker » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:49 pm

JamesD28 wrote:
SuperPacmaniaMaker wrote:My solutions:
-Make it to where, if the bartender visits an evil role, they get benefits. Not bad consequences. It makes sense to help your teammates, and not hurt them
-Take away the intoxication messages to avoid easy confirmation

Intoxication message is removed and effects have been reworked to favor evil roles. Thanks for the suggestions! :D



Anytime.
If you don't want a stupid answer, then don't ask a stupid question.
User avatar
SuperPacmaniaMaker
Retributionist
Retributionist
 
Posts: 301
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:50 pm
Location: None of your stinkin' business!

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby BS4125 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:42 am

I can see you've put 100% into this role idea and even though it is quite balanced it does require the Bartender and the target to know the list of effects that can happen when intoxicated and there isn't really a place where the results can be displayed

Also roles that buff/nerf a players ability usually isn't accepted and be weary about how much you are buffing/nerfing a target when you intoxicate them

Moreover how come evil roles preform better when intoxicated than when not? Doesn't make much sense

Spoiler:
lemonader666 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:
BS4125 wrote:Please post relevant posts to the topic at hand and not digress. Also please explain your opinions otherwise your contribution is sub-zero.


Oooooooo Mister Power over here!

And would you look at that, I was on the forums longer then you.

But overall the role for this topic needs work, I mean it's so bad people would rather
get off topic lol.

solola is a mod you retard
User avatar
BS4125
Christmas 2018 Winner
Christmas 2018 Winner
 
Posts: 978
Joined: Sun May 01, 2016 12:10 pm
Location: Nextdoor to my neighbour

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:55 am

BS4125 wrote:I can see you've put 100% into this role idea and even though it is quite balanced it does require the Bartender and the target to know the list of effects that can happen when intoxicated and there isn't really a place where the results can be displayed

Also roles that buff/nerf a players ability usually isn't accepted and be weary about how much you are buffing/nerfing a target when you intoxicate them

Moreover how come evil roles preform better when intoxicated than when not? Doesn't make much sense

I've added the ability to view the effect on roles by clicking on a Moon icon.

I agree that buffing/nerfing roles and knowing how much to do so can be tricky. I've based the strength of the buff/nerf around the general win rate of the faction.
- Town has very high win rates, and this role is against the Town, so the Town roles are nerfed so that the majority of them can still complete their action, but will either be given less information, or have a higher risk of dying. Some others (E.g. Mayor's auto-reveal) completely lose control of their action.
- Mafia has much lower win rates, but they still have wins every so often. Therefore, their roles are buffed to either give them more ways to deceive/damage the Town, or to give extra protection to the Mafia.
- Neutral Killings have even lower win rates, so their roles are buffed to make them simply more powerful.
-Neutral Benigns can side with both the Town and the evil factions, so their roles are generally unaffected.

As for why this happens, I don't really know. Maybe he serves Beer to the evils and Absinthe to the Town? :lol:
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Postby dcnationdude » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:19 am

I think that it's a really good role. I suggest making it a Unique role so there isn't mayhem for the Town if there's two or more. I also suggest making this Neutral Chaos simply because of the amount of 'chaos' it can cause to the Town, especially to roles like the Transporter, but I think it should stick with the same objectives. It's a really powerful and fun role, so I think these tweaks should make it better.

Hope this helps.
dcnationdude
Newbie
Newbie
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:20 am

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby DarthaNyan » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:32 am

So bartender cannot win with WW... I suggest changing effect on WW to "On fullmoon WW will attack his target and everyone who visited his target and bartender (except bartender, dogs wont bite hand that feeds them)"

Arso... how about "while intoxicated, douses his target and everyone that visited his target"?

Consigliere's effect is disruptive for mafia: why would you want to confirm existence of consig to town and share your results to them? There are already a way to do that without outing yourself - with death notes.

Jester: "If he is lynched the day after being intoxicated he haunts ALL guilty voters".
User avatar
DarthaNyan
Investigator
Investigator
 
Posts: 276
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:26 am

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:43 am

DarthaNyan wrote:So bartender cannot win with WW... I suggest changing effect on WW to "On fullmoon WW will attack his target and everyone who visited his target and bartender (except bartender, dogs wont bite hand that feeds them)"

Arso... how about "while intoxicated, douses his target and everyone that visited his target"?

Consigliere's effect is disruptive for mafia: why would you want to confirm existence of consig to town and share your results to them? There are already a way to do that without outing yourself - with death notes.

Jester: "If he is lynched the day after being intoxicated he haunts ALL guilty voters".

I've changed the Werewolf and Arsonist effects to what you suggested.
I've kept the Jester effect the same, because while haunting all guilty voters would be fun, sometimes all a Jester gets is one lucky guilty vote.

I agree that confirming the presence of a Consigliere would be disruptive for Mafia... but that's why the Consig can choose whether to reveal their target's role. It just depends on if they think outing their target (say, a Serial Killer) is worth revealing a Consig's presence.

Thanks for the ideas :D
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby sh99er » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:53 am

For exe, how about their target is told to nk / mafia or the target is framed? i dunno just a idea. other than that, love it.
Check out my ideas:
My Guardian Faction
My Elemental Faction
My Spirit Faction
My Demon Faction

After agreeing that as Godfather id have my mafioso make food for me, here was a funny response.
Jezz wrote:Godfather: mafioso, make me a sandwich
Mafioso: ...we kinda should kill one of our enemies tonight sir
Godfather: no I'm hungry fuck you
User avatar
sh99er
Spy
Spy
 
Posts: 142
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:06 am
Location: When I'm at my home....London...when I'm at boarding school...hell.

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby Spectre0 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:58 am

JamesD28 wrote:I've made a few tweaks to some of the roles which may have had an OP effect (E.g. Vigilante killing target and visitors).
Spectre0 wrote:harms everyone despite having to win with town.

The Bartender doesn't win with Town, they win with everyone except the Town (hence Neutral Evil).


I mistyped, I meant that it must win with evils and yet harms them.
User avatar
Spectre0
Bodyguard
Bodyguard
 
Posts: 232
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:18 pm
Location: 15-18-21-22-1-17 12-2-8

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:36 am

Spectre0 wrote:
JamesD28 wrote:I've made a few tweaks to some of the roles which may have had an OP effect (E.g. Vigilante killing target and visitors).
Spectre0 wrote:harms everyone despite having to win with town.

The Bartender doesn't win with Town, they win with everyone except the Town (hence Neutral Evil).


I mistyped, I meant that it must win with evils and yet harms them.

Yeah... the evil role effects have been redone so the Bartender gives them a buff instead. :D
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby DarthaNyan » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:22 am

JamesD28 wrote:I've kept the Jester effect the same, because while haunting all guilty voters would be fun, sometimes all a Jester gets is one lucky guilty vote.

Then make it a lingering grudge: haunt one guilty voter next night after lynching and haunt any living player on the 2nd night. Townies dont know about lingering effect until it happens.

- just a jest.

I've changed the Werewolf and Arsonist effects to what you suggested.

Intoxicated WW staying home shouldn't kill bartender either. Basically what i meant is WW's attack is same, but when intoxicated he kills everyone who visited bartender as well.
User avatar
DarthaNyan
Investigator
Investigator
 
Posts: 276
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:26 am

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:51 am

Really like the Jester idea; added that in.
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby ItsVinylBoys » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:08 pm

i like the idea but it seems like it affects the doc too much. NE shouldnt be able to directly kill someone.
ItsVinylBoys
Newbie
Newbie
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:37 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:34 am

Didn't cross my mind that NE roles can't directly kill. Thanks for pointing it out, been changed. :)
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby laucters » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:04 am

Ret can ' t revive cleaned target now.
So you have to change Janitor Buff.Because it does nothing different.Same with normal clean.
( Sorry if i am wrong )
laucters
Jester
Jester
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:14 am

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby Daizy » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:15 am

This actually sounds like quite a fun role to have in the game, but maybe make it less role specific.
Spoiler: Image
Favourite roles: Witch, Jailor, Consigilere, Investigator
Least favourite roles: Transporter, Framer, Executioner

"Music is life" - Me
User avatar
Daizy
Veteran
Veteran
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:44 pm
Location: Somewhere (GMT)

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:56 pm

laucters wrote:Ret can ' t revive cleaned target now.
So you have to change Janitor Buff.Because it does nothing different.Same with normal clean.
( Sorry if i am wrong )

Looked it up on the Wiki, and yeah you were right. I've changed the Janitor's buff :D
Daizy wrote:This actually sounds like quite a fun role to have in the game, but maybe make it less role specific.

I agree that making it role specific makes it rather complex, but since it's a buffing/nerfing role, it only really works if its effect is specified to each role. :lol:

Really appreciate the feedback, keep it coming! :D
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby Nickster311 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:35 pm

what if ret revives a intoxicated invest?
would the invest be roleblocked forever?
Image

Image

WALL OF TEXT ALERT
Spoiler: Image

PSN:
cptjeff
User avatar
Nickster311
Witch
Witch
 
Posts: 44
Joined: Sun May 22, 2016 12:08 pm
Location: earth

Re: The Bartender (Neutral Evil)

Postby JamesD28 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:28 pm

Nickster311 wrote:what if ret revives a intoxicated invest?
would the invest be roleblocked forever?

Yeah... not ideal, but since the Invest is given 3 possible roles for their target anyway, there isn't really a specific nerf for it :(
Image

I can't find my FM record
You probably don't care anyway
User avatar
JamesD28
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XIV] Winner
 
Posts: 1870
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Re:

Postby Jezz92 » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:52 am

dcnationdude wrote:I think that it's a really good role. I suggest making it a Unique role so there isn't mayhem for the Town if there's two or more. I also suggest making this Neutral Chaos simply because of the amount of 'chaos' it can cause to the Town, especially to roles like the Transporter, but I think it should stick with the same objectives. It's a really powerful and fun role, so I think these tweaks should make it better.

Hope this helps.


I agree. This role should be unique and possibly neutral chaos, but neutral evil is fine too.

You have put a lot of thought into this role. It seems very confusing and would take some time to get used to all its perks and effects on other roles BUT it puts pressure on the town and can assist those dreaded NK roles.
Jezz92
Godfather
Godfather
 
Posts: 1603
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:38 am
Location: Inside the cosy pouch of a kangaroo

Next

Return to Role Idea Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests