Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

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Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:25 am

Role: Avvelenatore

Alignment: Mafia Support

Summary: A retired chef who works with organized crime.

Abilities: Poison someone each night, removing 1 ability from them.

Attributes:
  • You will be notified if your poisoning was successful or not.
  • Your target will be informed that they were poisoned.
  • If you poisoned a role that doesn't have any charge/cannot be poisoned, they will instead not be able to receive any feedback (roleblocks, controls, dousing, etc) aside from ability feedback (investigation results, visits, etc).
  • You will lose 1 poisoning if you tried to poison a player in jail.
  • You may only perform 3 poisonings.

Goal: Kill anyone that will not submit to the Mafia.

Victory Conditions:
Wins with
    Mafia
    Survivors
    Witches
Must kill
    Town
    Vampires
    Arsonists
    Serial Killers
    Werewolves

Special Attributes:
  • Bite Immunity
  • Mafia Chat
  • Becomes Mafioso when Mafia Killing are dead

Investigation Results:
  • Sheriff: Your target is a member of the Mafia!
  • Investigator:
    • Your target smells like gas. They could be a Transporter, Avvelenatore or an Arsonist.
    • Your target is waiting for the perfect moment to strike. They could be the Sheriff, Avvelenatore, Executioner, or Werewolf. (Patch 1.5.0)
  • Consigliere: Your target poisons people at night. They must be an Avvelenatore.

Achievements:
Spoiler:
  • Delicacy - Win your first game as an Avvelenatore [5 TP]
  • Rookie - Win 5 games as an Avvelenatore [5 TP]
  • Master Chef - Win 10 games as an Avvelenatore [10 TP]
  • Five Star - Win 25 games as an Avvelenatore [25 TP]
  • Personal Chef - Poison a revealed Mayor [5 TP]
  • Alchemist - Poison a Medium or a Retributionist [5 TP]
  • Traditore - Poison a Mafia Member [25 TP]
  • Suicidal - Poison yourself [25 TP]


Text:
  • You feel sick when you ate your food. You have been poisoned!
  • [Player name] has chosen to poison [Player name] tonight.

Additional Information:
  • The Avvelenatore works by removing 1 ability/charge from a role. Example, the Jailor loses an execution if poisoned by an Avvelenatore. Basically, this can remove 1 charge from all roles that has limited uses.
  • If poisoned a player that doesn't have any charge, they will instead not be notified that they were doused, controlled, roleblocked, etc. They will, however, still be able to receive any ability feedbacks (investigation results, visits, etc). This only applies to roles that doesn't have any charges, while this won't take effect if the role has charges.
  • If a Doctor or Bodyguard was poisoned, they will lose 1 self-heal/1 vest.
  • If the Avvelenatore's target was jailed, the action will not be successful. They will also lose 1 poisoning.
  • If a revealed Mayor is poisoned, their vote will count as 2.
  • If a Medium or a Retributionist was poisoned, they will not lose their seance/revive. (debatable)
  • Roles that loses a charge if poisoned:
    Spoiler:
    • Bodyguard
    • Doctor
    • Jailor
    • Mayor
    • Veteran
    • Vigilante
    • Avvelenatore
    • Disguiser
    • Forger
    • Janitor
    • Survivor
  • Roles that will not receive any feedback once poisoned:
    Spoiler:
    • Escort
    • Investigator
    • Lookout
    • Medium
    • Retributionist
    • Sheriff
    • Spy
    • Transporter
    • Vampire Hunter
    • Blackmailer
    • Consigliere
    • Consort
    • Framer
    • Godfather
    • Mafioso
    • Amnesiac
    • Arsonist
    • Executioner
    • Jester
    • Serial Killer
    • Vampire
    • Werewolf
    • Witch
Last edited by CAPTAINPHASMA123 on Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:46 pm, edited 9 times in total.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby cxl1024 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:59 am

Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:51 am

cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby BrianLy » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:56 am

CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby cxl1024 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:03 am

BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:11 am

cxl1024 wrote:
BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.

The problem is that, if this role was added in the game, there would be numerous reports in Bug Reports because they lost 1 ability when they didn't know there was an Avvelenatore.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby superdog551 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:22 am

cxl1024 wrote:Why can't it just be called chef?.


Because it's not, Avvelenatore in Italian is quite literally translated into "Poisoner", and the mafia is technically Italian decent, so it fits very well. I really like how literal the name is :D

This role is very well made and I like it!
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby WindBlqde » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:14 am

This role is very well made, kind of a reverse doctor for the mafia, which is pretty cool. One problem: this has been suggested before a a town support but they heal everyone besides like one time that they can poison someone. But this is kind of different than that so I'd say that this is one of the best roles I've seen out there. :)
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby alex1234321 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:55 am

I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Sman808 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:54 am

alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

It takes away an ability usage, but does not prevent them from using their ability that night, which distances it from the consort. It also has limited uses, unlike the consort.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby cxl1024 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:00 am

CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:
BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.

The problem is that, if this role was added in the game, there would be numerous reports in Bug Reports because they lost 1 ability when they didn't know there was an Avvelenatore.


You make a good point. Let them know they were poisoned then.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby BPsycho2 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:38 am

Don't put it with framer.

Framer only needs one mafia role pls.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby ok98161 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:53 am

cxl1024 wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:
BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.

The problem is that, if this role was added in the game, there would be numerous reports in Bug Reports because they lost 1 ability when they didn't know there was an Avvelenatore.


You make a good point. Let them know they were poisoned then.


I suggest the message is, "You ate some mysterious food you found. You were poisoned." I really like the role and I like that it is limited because it is super powerful. If you fail to poison someone when they're in jail, do you lose 1 poisoning?
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Skulomania » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:33 pm

I like it. Although I kind of need more information on what it removes exactly.

Does it only remove roles with charges (limited uses) or does it also remove abilities? Because you have there that it removes the mayor' ability (debatable) but every other role u mentioned was removing a charge. So I am just unclear if it is charge specific or extends to other non-charge abilities.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby alex1234321 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:30 pm

Sman808 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

It takes away an ability usage, but does not prevent them from using their ability that night, which distances it from the consort. It also has limited uses, unlike the consort.

Thanks for the clarification. This does sound like a good role.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Skulomania » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:07 pm

Sman808 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

It takes away an ability usage, but does not prevent them from using their ability that night, which distances it from the consort. It also has limited uses, unlike the consort.


Ah i missed this, i suppose this answers my question.

In that case, i do not think it should have any effect on a mayor. Decreasing the mayor's revealed vote to 2 seems a little to ticky-tacky.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Kirize12 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:16 pm

What happens if there are no roles that have a limited ability left?

Matthew's Auditor better fills this niche.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:41 am

superdog551 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Why can't it just be called chef?.


Because it's not, Avvelenatore in Italian is quite literally translated into "Poisoner", and the mafia is technically Italian decent, so it fits very well. I really like how literal the name is :D

This role is very well made and I like it!

Thanks! (and yeah, I was surprised the name exists)

WindBlqde wrote:This role is very well made, kind of a reverse doctor for the mafia, which is pretty cool. One problem: this has been suggested before a a town support but they heal everyone besides like one time that they can poison someone. But this is kind of different than that so I'd say that this is one of the best roles I've seen out there. :)

A reverse Doctor is technically a killing role, because the opposite of heal is kill. Anyway, thanks for your feedback!

alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

Thanks! By the way, how is this role similar to the Consort?

Also, I added the list already.

cxl1024 wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:
BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.

The problem is that, if this role was added in the game, there would be numerous reports in Bug Reports because they lost 1 ability when they didn't know there was an Avvelenatore.


You make a good point. Let them know they were poisoned then.

Added it.

BPsycho2 wrote:Don't put it with framer.

Framer only needs one mafia role pls.


Done!

ok98161 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:
BrianLy wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:Notifications:

"Someone has dropped off a box of delicious pastries at your house, and you have decided to eat them. You have now been poisoned!"

That's the best I could come up with.

It shouldn't take away ret's revive or medium's seance. Keep that the way you have it.
Taking away one of mayor's votes? I could go for this. Others may disagree.

Why can't it just be called chef?

Overall, I like the role. I would like playing as this.

Do you think that the poisoned player should receive a feedback about being poisoned?


They will know regardless once they know they are missing something.


Ya know let them figure that out on their own. I mean if you are poisoned you're probably not going to know right away unless you're dying on the spot.

In which case RIP.

The problem is that, if this role was added in the game, there would be numerous reports in Bug Reports because they lost 1 ability when they didn't know there was an Avvelenatore.


You make a good point. Let them know they were poisoned then.


I suggest the message is, "You ate some mysterious food you found. You were poisoned." I really like the role and I like that it is limited because it is super powerful. If you fail to poison someone when they're in jail, do you lose 1 poisoning?

Made the message to: "You feel sick when you ate your food. You have been poisoned!" You do not lose 1 poisoning if your target was in jail. Thanks for your feedback!

Skulomania wrote:I like it. Although I kind of need more information on what it removes exactly.

Does it only remove roles with charges (limited uses) or does it also remove abilities? Because you have there that it removes the mayor' ability (debatable) but every other role u mentioned was removing a charge. So I am just unclear if it is charge specific or extends to other non-charge abilities.

Added more information in the OP. It also affects roles that does not have any charges and it doesn't remove their abilities. However, about the Mayor is still debatable. Thanks for your feedback!

alex1234321 wrote:
Sman808 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

It takes away an ability usage, but does not prevent them from using their ability that night, which distances it from the consort. It also has limited uses, unlike the consort.

Thanks for the clarification. This does sound like a good role.

Thanks!

Skulomania wrote:
Sman808 wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:I like this role. It is a bit like a swingier, buffed Consort, but I think that it would have very different strategies from the Consort. Also, can you make a list of which roles are immune and which ability roles with multiple abilities (such as Arsonist) lose?

It takes away an ability usage, but does not prevent them from using their ability that night, which distances it from the consort. It also has limited uses, unlike the consort.


Ah i missed this, i suppose this answers my question.

In that case, i do not think it should have any effect on a mayor. Decreasing the mayor's revealed vote to 2 seems a little to ticky-tacky.

Maybe. I'm doing a poll about it.

Kirize12 wrote:What happens if there are no roles that have a limited ability left?

Matthew's Auditor better fills this niche.

Added more information.

Also, if I made it like the Auditor then it will be too overpowered for Mafia.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby JazzMusicStops » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:52 am

So it's a nerfed Auditor
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:56 am

JammySplodge wrote:So it's a nerfed Auditor

Yes.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:30 am

I said it better fills the NICHE.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

This matters - educate yourself.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:09 am

Kirize12 wrote:I said it better fills the NICHE.

I know. I was just pointing it out.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Oriolebird9 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:42 am

I really like this idea. Perhaps if the person is jailed, the jailor will lose 1 execution.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:57 am

Oriolebird9 wrote:I really like this idea. Perhaps if the person is jailed, the jailor will lose 1 execution.

Would be too overpowered. If the Jailor jails the Mayor, the Avvelenatore can simply target the Mayor and the Jailor will be poisoned instead, losing 1 execution from them.
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Re: Avvelenatore (Mafia Support)

Postby Damafaud » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:59 am

Maybe make it like Janitor and Disguiser. If your target is jailed, your poisoning fail and you lose one action. This role is nice, but the name give my tongue a twist.
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