Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

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I really, really like it and I would like to see it added into ToS
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It could use some work/I have some ideas (Please tell me why or what your ideas are)
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Maybe/ I don't know (explain why)
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I don't like it (Why?)
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Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:22 pm

[b]THX TO YOU GUYS, THE NIGHTMARER IS IN THE TESTING GROUNDS![/b

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Role Name: Nightmarer

Role Alignment: Mafia Support
Attributes:
-You may make your target have a "nightmare" about someone, making them too scared to visit that person at night.
-If a person has a nightmare, they will be notified that they had a Nightmare and who it is about.
-If you make a player have a nightmare about another player, they will not be able to visit that player until the nightmarer makes you have a nightmare about someone else.
-All nightmares will go away if the nightmarer dies, but they remain if nightmarer is promoted (to mafioso).
-You may not make someone have a Nightmare about themselves, however it can happen via trans.

Abilities: Make someone have a "Nightmare" about someone, making them too scared to visit that person at night.
Goal: Kill anyone that will not submit to the mafia.
Wins with: Mafia, survivors, witches.

Special Attributes: Unique Role, witch immune

Investigative Results: Investigator - Your target practices magic. He must be an retributionist, witch, or a nightmarer.
Sheriff - Your target is a member of the mafia! Consigliere - your target messes with peoples dreams. They must be a nightmarer
Additional Information (comments): NONE

Technicalities:
Spoiler: -Nightmares do not carry over to the dead. For example, if an amnesiac is nightmared about a mafia member, and the mafia member dies, the amnesiac can remember the mafia member.
-The Nightmarer DOES visit the person who has Nightmares-LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THIS SHOULD BE REMOVED.
-Non visiting roles, like a spy, are unaffected by Nightmares but will be notified who it was about.
-This does not work on someone like a jailor, who visits them during the day.
-you can not make people with dead abilities, like medium or jester, have nightmares about someone. (all nightmares wear off after you die)
-The nightmarer will have two columns, the first one being who you are going to give the nightmare to and the second one being who the nightmare is about.
-You are allowed to make the nightmare about yourself.
-If a transporter has a nightmare, they will be unable to transport the person who they had a nightmare about.
-You may not make a person have a nightmare about themselves.
-If a witch controls you to the person you have nightmares about, you will visit them, as your fears don't control your decisions, the witch does.
-If you nightmare someone who tries to visit the target you are nightmaring them about that very night, they will be able to visit that person that night.
-If a witch controls the nightmarer, it will affect who receives the nightmares, not who the nightmares are about.

Messages:
Spoiler: -If you are nightmared you will receive the message "You have had a nightmare about _____. You are too scared to visit them at night.
-If a transporter transports who you were planning to visit with the person you were nightmared about you will receive the message "You had just reached your target's house and looked inside, and that's when you realized that this wasn't your target at all. This was the person you had nightmares about, and you ran away as fast as you could" effectively roleblocking them for the night. *please note that this is the only way the nightmarer roleblocks someone.*
-If the nightmare is killed/promoted you will recieve the message "You realized that you aren't scared about ___ anymore".
-If the nightmare is killed the night they nightmared someone, the person will receive the message "You had a nightmare about ___, but you shook it off".
-When you select who you want to have nightmares, you'll receive the message "You have decided to make ____ have nightmares tonight."
-If you change it, you'll recieve the message "You have instead decided to make ____ have nightmares tonight."
-When you select who to have nightmares about, you'll receive "You have decided to make your target have nightmares about ____ tonight."
-When you change this, you'll recieve "You have instead decided to make your target have Nightmares about ____ tonight"
-If your Nightmares are changed to someone else, you will recieve You have had a new nightmare! You are now scared of _____ instead of _____ !

thanks to kirby and jerme for the message ideas.

Achievements (Credits to KirbyRider1337 for helping):
Spoiler: Successfully nightmare someone: Are you afraid of the dark?
1 win: Insomnia
5 wins: Go to sleep (This references Jeff the Killer)
10 wins: Nighttime Horrors
25 wins: Scared Awake
Give nightmares to yourself (via Trans or Witch): Truly Timid
Give nightmares to another member of the Mafia (via Trans or Witch): Syngenesophobia
Give nightmares to three people on the same person: Misunderstanding
Monophobia- give someone Nightmares about themselves (via trans)-10 coins


Backstory (Credit to Rossendale):
Spoiler: 'The most powerful part of a person's mind is their subconsciousness. It is the part of a human's thoughts and feelings that works from behind the curtains, but at the same time can completely shape their attitudes, behaviour and opinion. It is said that dreams are manifestations of the subconsciousness, hidden dreams and fears from deep within your heart. The Nightmarer is a psychic manipulator of the subconsciousness, able to bring forth harrowing visions to haunt his victims in their sleep. He had first learned of this power when he was a small child. His parents were religious, and they had often visited the church to pray and congregate with other believers. However, the priest that held the sermons was corrupt and perverted, and he had abused the Nightmarer to satisfy his sick lust. The boy was too afraid to tell anyone and suffered in silence. However, one day the priest did not take him away for private councelling. In fact, he seemed to avoid him. When the boy sneaked away from his parents to follow the priest, he heard him talk to himself about a nightmare that he had the night before. In the dream, his acts have been uncovered and he had been lynched for his crimes. The Nightmarer gulped heavily, not quite believing that it was him. However, when his family was coming back from the shop they chanced upon the baker hitting his wife again. The Nightmarer gritted his teeth, and decided to test out his power again. He went to sleep that night wishing visions of the baker's wife deserting him, and taking the children. The next day, that same baker had been found hanging from a piece of rope in the city square. He committed suicide, and in his hands was a document about how he was sorry he had mistreated his wife, outlining the nightmares he had about deserting her. The Nightmarer gulped heavily, unbelieving. His parents asked him what's wrong. He tried to avoid an answer, but in the end ended up telling everyone about his powers. They waved him off as a silly child with an imagination too big. However, he insisted in trying to convince them, but they all shunned him. In the end, even his parents decided to cast him out for his tall tales. Bitter and angry, the Nightmarer turned to the Mafia for shelter. The Godfather swayed him over with tales of how noone believed the Nightmarer but him. The Nightmarer accepted the Godfather's proposal, determined to prove to everyone that he was the master of the subconscious mind."
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:22 pm

also, anyone hve a better name other than nightmarer. Nightmarer sounds odd...
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:23 pm

Anyone have a backstory to add?
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby murat1996 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:47 pm

Arpitr20 wrote:Anyone have a backstory to add?


No, but that is one LONG attribute though. XD
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:52 pm

ik
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby murat1996 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:54 pm

Arpitr20 wrote:ik


I don't wanna read that, and separate notifications and attributes, and make it like TOS.
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby mikucake » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:13 pm

A good name instead of "Nightmarer" could be "Hypnophobiac". "Hypnophobia, also termed clinophobia or somniphobia, is the often irrational and excessive fear of sleep. It may result from a feeling of control loss, or from repeating nightmares or anxiety over the loss of time that could be spent accomplishing tasks or maximizing leisure time instead of sleeping." - From Wikipedia.
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:20 pm

thx i will consider that.
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:21 pm

And please participate in the poll. I made the attributes smaller
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby KirbyRider1337 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:59 pm

I have achievement ideas

1 win: Insomnia
5 wins: Go to sleep (This references Jeff the Killer)
10 wins: Nighttime Horrors
25 wins: Scared Awake
Give nightmares to yourself (via Trans or Witch): Truly Timid
Give nightmares to another member of the Mafia (via Trans or Witch): Summoning Bill (Referencing Gravity Falls)
Give nightmares to three people on the same person: Misunderstanding

What are your thoughts? I think the other Mafia member nightmaring could be an improved or completely replaced name.
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Mafia: Consigliere, Janitor, Mafioso
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Kirize12 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:25 am

Name: Waterboarder (Instead of having nightmares, they place roadblocks)
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

This matters - educate yourself.
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby JazzMusicStops » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:31 am

I like this idea
As for names, maybe, "Hypnotist"
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby houyin » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:14 am

Loved, simply awesome role, making it possible to have a Bodyguard afraid of visiting a confirmed Mayor, THIS IS JUST AMAZING.

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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:40 am

Thank you guys a lot. People who voted "could use some work" "I dont like it" or "I hate it" Please, PLEASE explain why, it will help me make this role better.
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby yonks012 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:26 am

i like this, but can it target other members of the mafia? (e.g. prevent a TI from visiting them)
also some suggestions-
    -remove the ability to give people nightmares about themselves
    -only notify the target that they had a nightmare when they try to visit whoever they had a nightmare about (otherwise this is just a nerfed consort in most situations)
    -remove nightmares when "nightmarer" dies or is promoted to mafioso
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:45 am

yonks012 wrote:i like this, but can it target other members of the mafia? (e.g. prevent a TI from visiting them)
also some suggestions-
    -remove the ability to give people nightmares about themselves
    -only notify the target that they had a nightmare when they try to visit whoever they had a nightmare about (otherwise this is just a nerfed consort in most situations)
    -remove nightmares when "nightmarer" dies or is promoted to mafioso


for your question, yes it can, but because the person knows who they had nightmares about, it will raise suspicions against that person. For your first suggestion, i thought about this earlier, i will think about it. For your second, it nerfs it more if they know, they lose the ability to visit that single person, doesnt rb them. The person can visit everyone but the person who they had nightmares about. For your third suggestion, I asked you to notify if this should happen, and thank you for that, but i want to wait for a couple more people to say they should go away before i change it. Thank you for suggesting. Please participate in the poll!
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Again, please tell me why if you voted I don't like it, I hate it, or it could use some work
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby lucas8411 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:28 pm

The role seems intresting, I really thought it was a Consort clone, but I see it's different. Anyway I have some questions:
1: Is the Nightmarer immune against his/her own nightmare?
2: If you give the Werewolf a nightmare and the werewolf visit itself so you die by the Werewolf. Does the Werewolf get a nightmare or not?
3: Will the Nightmare happen after you did you ability or before? (so can the Investigator, investigate after they get a nightmare or before?)
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby KirbyRider1337 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:37 pm

lucas8411 wrote:The role seems intresting, I really thought it was a Consort clone, but I see it's different. Anyway I have some questions:
1: Is the Nightmarer immune against his/her own nightmare?
2: If you give the Werewolf a nightmare and the werewolf visit itself so you die by the Werewolf. Does the Werewolf get a nightmare or not?
3: Will the Nightmare happen after you did you ability or before? (so can the Investigator, investigate after they get a nightmare or before?)

I think a Witch or a Trans can make the Nightmarer give himself nightmares. You can't nightmare who your secondary target was after this. You can make a BMer blackmail themself or a Consig invest themself, so...
If the WW stays home, and you try to give them a nightmare, whether the WW gets nightmared or not depends on whether nightmares wear off after the Nightmarer's death.
I believe the Nightmare will come into effect after the Nightmarer's visit. An Invest will be able to invest someone, but if the Nightmarer makes them have nightmares of that person the same night, they can't invest them again.
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Mafia: Consigliere, Janitor, Mafioso
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby houyin » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:52 pm

Arpitr20 wrote:
yonks012 wrote:i like this, but can it target other members of the mafia? (e.g. prevent a TI from visiting them)
also some suggestions-
    -remove the ability to give people nightmares about themselves
    -only notify the target that they had a nightmare when they try to visit whoever they had a nightmare about (otherwise this is just a nerfed consort in most situations)
    -remove nightmares when "nightmarer" dies or is promoted to mafioso


for your question, yes it can, but because the person knows who they had nightmares about, it will raise suspicions against that person. For your first suggestion, i thought about this earlier, i will think about it. For your second, it nerfs it more if they know, they lose the ability to visit that single person, doesnt rb them. The person can visit everyone but the person who they had nightmares about. For your third suggestion, I asked you to notify if this should happen, and thank you for that, but i want to wait for a couple more people to say they should go away before i change it. Thank you for suggesting. Please participate in the poll!



I also think the nightmares should end if the Nightmarer dies or if he becomes a Mafioso
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:25 pm

Changed it

Jammy? Whats BtM
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby JazzMusicStops » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:32 pm

Arpitr20 wrote:Jammy? Whats BtM

This belongs more in pms than this topic, but
Behind The Masks(or BtM for short) is a series of Forum Games, created by VucubCaquix and (mostly) hosted by Blackajack, it's really fun, you should try it
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:07 pm

Please guys I want to know why you hate this role so I can fix it
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby KirbyRider1337 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:35 pm

Also this:

When you select who you want to have nightmares, you'll receive the message "You have decided to torment ____ tonight."
When you select who to have nightmares about, you'll receive "You have decided to torment your target about ____ tonight."

What are your thoughts on this? And if you want a story, I found this, maybe you can ask for a story on the Nightmarer here: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=29644&start=75
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Mafia: Consigliere, Janitor, Mafioso
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Re: Nightmarer (Mafia Support)

Postby Arpitr20 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:35 pm

KirbyRider1337 wrote:Also this:

When you select who you want to have nightmares, you'll receive the message "You have decided to torment ____ tonight."
When you select who to have nightmares about, you'll receive "You have decided to torment your target about ____ tonight."

What are your thoughts on this? And if you want a story, I found this, maybe you can ask for a story on the Nightmarer here: http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 4&start=75

yes that sounds good, but ill change it to something about nightmares
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