Drug Dealer (Mafia Deception)

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Drug Dealer (Mafia Deception)

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:21 pm

This is now implemented in the game, as the Hypnotist. Thank you for supporting this.

NOTE: On Thursday, December 22, 2016, this role was confirmed to be added to the game! :smilepile:

This has come so far. I'd like to thank you all so much for this. It has been tested not only in the Testing Grounds but in Forum Mafia - that's the big leagues and, not to brag, has gone farther than the most popular role in the Role Ideas section. You guys are awesome. This is why I'm putting up one final petition, and hopefully get this role into the game for good. Both options are yes because this is a petition, not a poll. Thank you guys so much. You are all awesome. If you support me and you support this role, and especially everyone who's helped test this both in Testing Grounds and Forum Mafia, click the spoiler for a special surprise inside. :) :D :mrgreen:

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Also, a friendly reminder that drugging people can mean a lot of different things, so please don't take the name as offensive. :)

Role: Drug Dealer

Alignment: Mafia Deception

Summary: You were once a pharmacist, giving out prescription medicine to those who need it.
However when $400 dollars were stolen from the register, you got canned.
You have now decided to work with the Mafia family to get revenge on the Town that made you lose your job.

Goal: Kill anyone that will not submit to the Mafia.

Win Conditions: Standard Mafia Win Conditions.

Has Night Ability: Yes

Has Night Immunity: No

Abilities: Sedate someone at night.

Attributes: They will be given false feedback depending on which one you choose.
Your choices are:
You were doused in gas!
Someone occupied your night. You have been roleblocked!
You were transported to another location.
You were attacked but someone fought off your attacker!
You were attacked but someone nursed you back to health!
Someone attacked you but you are immune at night!
You feel a mystical power dominating you. You were controlled by a Witch!
You slept peacefully! (it won't actually say that, but they won't know if they were transported, roleblocked, witched, et cetera)
You cannot choose the same drug twice in a row.
You cannot choose the same target twice in a row.

Special Attributes: None

Sheriff: Your target is a member of the Mafia!

Investigator: Your target likes to play pranks. They must be a Sheriff, Drug Dealer, Executioner, or Werewolf.

Kirize's Investigator: Your target is covered in chemicals. They must be a Doctor, Drug Dealer, Janitor, Amnesiac, or Serial Killer.

Consigliere: Your target grows hallucination-inducing herbs. They must be a Drug Dealer!

Backstory: WIP cuz I'm sick

Achievements: Cartel - Win one game as Drug Dealer

Trickster - Win five games as Drug Dealer

Sedator - Win ten games as Drug Dealer

Poker Face - Win twenty-five games as Drug Dealer

It's Just a Prank Bro - Use every drug in the game

Prankster - Sedate the same target three times
Last edited by Kirize12 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:39 am, edited 33 times in total.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby isrlygood » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:24 pm

May I ask how would you choose one of the results?
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby bumblecow » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:24 pm

Poisoner might be a better name for it.

Also I think this should be Neutral Evil.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:26 pm

isrlygood wrote:May I ask how would you choose one of the results?


Moon button.

bumblecow wrote:Poisoner might be a better name for it.

Also I think this should be Neutral Evil.


Poisoners kill people.

I don't see why.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby TheCheddarCheese » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:27 pm

this seems fun. I'd totally make them witched everynight so they don't trust their info. Lel
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby bumblecow » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:27 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
isrlygood wrote:May I ask how would you choose one of the results?


Moon button.

bumblecow wrote:Poisoner might be a better name for it.

Also I think this should be Neutral Evil.


Poisoners kill people.

I don't see why.

Not always.

And do you really want drugs in this game?
The name needs to change.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:31 pm

bumblecow wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:
isrlygood wrote:May I ask how would you choose one of the results?


Moon button.

bumblecow wrote:Poisoner might be a better name for it.

Also I think this should be Neutral Evil.


Poisoners kill people.

I don't see why.

Not always.

And do you really want drugs in this game?
The name needs to change.


There are no drugs in this game. Drugging people could mean a lot of different things. Do you have a better idea for the name?
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby bumblecow » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:34 pm

Pharmacist?
Trickster?
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:36 pm

bumblecow wrote:Pharmacist?
Trickster?


I was thinking of Pharmacist.
If more people hate the name, I'll change it.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PriaBella » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:50 pm

Not sure about choosing the results, but I like the role overall. It seems a bit too powerful, perhaps a randomized result would be best.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby JamesOfNorthshire » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:15 pm

PriaBella wrote:Not sure about choosing the results, but I like the role overall. It seems a bit too powerful, perhaps a randomized result would be best.


We don't do RNG here, so not a chance.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Jfire » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:15 pm

JamesOfNorthshire wrote:
PriaBella wrote:Not sure about choosing the results, but I like the role overall. It seems a bit too powerful, perhaps a randomized result would be best.


We don't do RNG here, so not a chance.


Role Drawings, /repick command, there's probably more.

Nothing's wrong with a very small amount of RNG
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby murat1996 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:18 pm

Seems like an interesting role Kirize but......stay away from the drugs okay?
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Metrion » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:38 pm

Jfire wrote:
JamesOfNorthshire wrote:
PriaBella wrote:Not sure about choosing the results, but I like the role overall. It seems a bit too powerful, perhaps a randomized result would be best.


We don't do RNG here, so not a chance.


Role Drawings, /repick command, there's probably more.

Nothing's wrong with a very small amount of RNG



Yeah but /repick has nothing to do with the mechanics game, it's a lobby function not a game feature. Role drawings are done before the game begins and the Jester is a role that has no loyalties or obligations as they have already won, and usually picks a kill anyway. Nothing else has randomization purposely, it focuses the game down more to skill than chance.

With so many niche options having the role randomized would ruin any of those being viable, it would be a role that confused players but has no direct control so it'd be confirmed in it's existence early making it worse. A better way to balance would be charges, like that of the Janitor or Disguiser.


The role has been suggested before, it doesn't depend on any other role making useful and it doesn't clash with any other mafia member. It's a solid, idea overall and I like the effects it could have on the meta.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:58 pm

I think Drug Dealer is an appropriate name for the role and I see no reason to change it. It is being cast in the role of evil anyways. DRUGS ARE BAD KIDS! I can just imagine this in mass (a custom game). YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED 10 times last night!
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:10 pm

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:I think Drug Dealer is an appropriate name for the role and I see no reason to change it. It is being cast in the role of evil anyways. DRUGS ARE BAD KIDS! I can just imagine this in mass (a custom game). YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED 10 times last night!


Well, the problem is it doesn't actually happen. If an Investigator checked someone and got drugged to believe they are RB'ed, then that means they'd still get the results. However, they wouldn't be sure if they were transported that night, or doused, or witched, etc...
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby orangeandblack5 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:48 pm

I don't usually comment on role ideas (with 3 exceptions so far), but I must say that I love the idea of this one. Sounds like a very useful role and a lot of fun. Maybe you could change what it would say to your target with a moon button? (think sun button but at night [see viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23518]) And then, much like a Jailor's player list, a list of options for what it says pops up, and whichever one you select is shown.

But seriously, we need to get that name changed.

How about...
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:13 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:I don't usually comment on role ideas (with 3 exceptions so far), but I must say that I love the idea of this one. Sounds like a very useful role and a lot of fun. Maybe you could change what it would say to your target with a moon button? (think sun button but at night [see viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23518]) And then, much like a Jailor's player list, a list of options for what it says pops up, and whichever one you select is shown.

But seriously, we need to get that name changed.

How about...
Spoiler: HYPNOTIST


Moon button is in effect already.
Hypnotist makes me feel like a Witch instead of a Drug Dealer, so no.
There is NOTHING wrong with the name Drug Dealer. Little kids don't play this game anyways!
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:28 pm

Kirzie12 wrote:Well, the problem is it doesn't actually happen. If an Investigator checked someone and got drugged to believe they are RB'ed, then that means they'd still get the results. However, they wouldn't be sure if they were transported that night, or doused, or witched, etc...

Well you see my friend this is all part of the "meta" if you have it at random messages then the possibility of doing this will be upped and then this so called OP role will be debuffed (make the problem the solution) or if you have it selected then you might not want to select that one unless you wish to convince a medium or something that you are the escort (say if you are any mafia and no one knows) you could hide behind it. I bet this would result in many false reporting of "bugs" lol
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:30 pm

Kirize12 wrote:There is NOTHING wrong with the name Drug Dealer. Little kids don't play this game anyways!

I am assuming you haven't played Casual in quite some time. It is either little kids or REALLY stupid people.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:31 pm

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:
Kirzie12 wrote:Well, the problem is it doesn't actually happen. If an Investigator checked someone and got drugged to believe they are RB'ed, then that means they'd still get the results. However, they wouldn't be sure if they were transported that night, or doused, or witched, etc...

Well you see my friend this is all part of the "meta" if you have it at random messages then the possibility of doing this will be upped and then this so called OP role will be debuffed (make the problem the solution) or if you have it selected then you might not want to select that one unless you wish to convince a medium or something that you are the escort (say if you are any mafia and no one knows) you could hide behind it. I bet this would result in many false reporting of "bugs" lol


Well we don't do RNG here.
The only exception to this rule is the Executioner.
I'm not counting the Jester because the only time they can do RNG is when it doesn't matter because they've already won.

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Kirize12 wrote:There is NOTHING wrong with the name Drug Dealer. Little kids don't play this game anyways!

I am assuming you haven't played Casual in quite some time. It is either little kids or REALLY stupid people.


I have not played Casual in a while. I am the top TOS ranked player and I intent to keep it that way by playing mostly ranked.
Also the word you're looking for is trolls.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:35 pm

Kirize12 wrote:I have not played Casual in a while. I am the top TOS ranked player and I intent to keep it that way by playing mostly ranked.
Also the word you're looking for is trolls.

How do you know you are the top? ELO is messed up anyways. Also some people are just stupid, I want them to be trolls I REALLY REALLY do. At a point you stop lying to yourself about a certain group of them.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:45 pm

PurpleSidewalk1 wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:I have not played Casual in a while. I am the top TOS ranked player and I intent to keep it that way by playing mostly ranked.
Also the word you're looking for is trolls.

How do you know you are the top? ELO is messed up anyways. Also some people are just stupid, I want them to be trolls I REALLY REALLY do. At a point you stop lying to yourself about a certain group of them.


The team I'm on in ranked generally wins due to me.
Exceptions are when my teammates are dumb as fuck.
Pretty sure most of them are trolls, little kids have some common sense.
Also...
There can be guns, burning, mauling, hanging, stabbing, guillitining, drowning, but a role called the drug dealer, which doesn't even use the illegal drugs, are way way way off limits.
I love love love how this game works and how common sense is a main factor.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby PurpleSidewalk1 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:52 pm

Kirize12 wrote:The team I'm on in ranked generally wins due to me.

Well I mean I had 8 loses when I had 40 wins so I was doing pretty hot myself and I was nicknamed the Veteran Investigator because I figured the whole game out when 3 Invests couldn't and was Veteran. I won us the game at the last moment. I only had one person directly tell me their role. Doesn't mean I consider myself to be the top of the ranked system. I do understand if you had 0 loses and 100 wins or something (0 loses caused by you). I can say that only 8 games were caused by me either because I was NK or because I screwed up.
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Re: Drug Dealer

Postby benjiboo267 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:52 pm

Enough with this name argument, I have real feedback.

I think the summary is too long. It won't fit when people first see it. Perhaps it could be, "You are a former pharmacist who wants to get revenge on the Town for their crimes against you."

The Consigliere result should be changed also. Maybe, "Your target works with drugs." Fits well.
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