Con Artist (Mafia Support)

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Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby Benn3 » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:14 pm

Con Artist
Attack: None | Defense: None

Alignment -
Mafia (Support)


Abilities -
-You may select two targets each night
-You will deceive your first target, having your second target, a Mafia member, gain their trust
-You may select yourself as the Mafia member


Attributes -
-You may not deceive the same target twice
-Targets will stay deceived until their results are changed
-Trusted Mafia members will appear differently to deceived targets
-Trusted Mafia members will be able to visit two people
-Lookouts and Trackers will see them visit their second target, but not their first
-Outcomes vary based on the deceived target's role
-You may select the Investigative result you want your Mafia member to appear as to the deceived
-Once there are no kill capable Mafia left, you will become a Mafioso


Deceived Role Outcomes -

Town(Investigative)
Sheriff: The trusted Mafia member will appear as Innocent
Investigator: The trusted Mafia member will have the results you chose
Lookout: The trusted Mafia member will not appear to visit unless they watched the Mafia member's second target
Psychic: The trusted Mafia member will count as a Good player
Tracker: The trusted Mafia member will appear to visit their second target
Spy: The trusted Mafia member's visit will not show up

Town(Protective)
Bodyguard: Will not attack nor protect against trusted a Mafia member
Crusader: Will not attack a trusted Mafia member but will still protect their target
Doctor: Will not receive feedback if their target is attacked by a trusted Mafia member
Trapper: A trap will not attack or trigger if a trusted Mafia member visits

Town(Support)
Escort: Will be unsuccessful in role-blocking a trusted Mafia member, however they will not receive feedback telling them so
Retributionist: Will be unable to use any targets killed by Mafia on the same night they are deceived


Goal -
Kill all who will not submit to the Mafia.

Notifications
Con Artist:
You have decided to gain the trust of [Position] tonight.
You have decided to make [Mafia Member] gain the trust of [Position] tonight.


Player:
[Mafia Member] tried to gain your trust last night, but you realized they were a fraud!


Spy:
Your target was deceived last night!


Investigative Results -
Sheriff: Your target is suspicious!
Investigator: Your target could be a Mayor, Con Artist, Guardian Angel, or Poisoner.
Consigliere: Your target is a pathological liar that capitalizes on weaknesses. They must be a Con Artist!


Lore -

It all started with his fundraiser. His fundraiser to help support his brother battle a terminal illness that has been affecting him for years, eventually becoming lethal. Going from house to house, begging for money to support him as he was in dire need of medical attention; he just couldn't afford it. He eventually raised thousands of dollars, and was exhilarated. The next day, he started packing up everything he had. All the expensive and narcissistic merchandise he owned. He then took his two brief cases and suitcase, and left his home, only to be suddenly stopped and pulled into a dark alleyway by an Ambusher. The Ambusher then put his knife to the man's throat, knowing of how much money he owned. The man plead for his life, and spilled it all. The fundraiser was a frawd. He only did it to become rich. He didn't actually have a brother, and that he'd be willing to help his aggressor. The Ambusher then contemplated for a moment, and realized that this man's lying ability was much needed for the Mafia, he couldn't imagine someone with such an evil power to deceive. Not only that, but his wealthiness would come in much use too. He then lead the man to the closest Town nearby, called the Town of Salem. He was known as the Con Artist from then on.
Last edited by Benn3 on Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:25 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Re: Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:36 am

ok the role seems good, but the TK thing is broken and makes no sense

The jailor thing will instantly out the trusted mafia member

Veteran makes no sense because he shoots anyone not caring who tf they are

Vigi dying from guilt for killing a mafia member would be punishing vigi for doing their job
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Re: Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby Benn3 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:56 am

syjfwbaobfwl wrote:ok the role seems good, but the TK thing is broken and makes no sense

The jailor thing will instantly out the trusted mafia member

Veteran makes no sense because he shoots anyone not caring who tf they are

Vigi dying from guilt for killing a mafia member would be punishing vigi for doing their job



I edited the Jailor one so that it's only if they execute one of them.

The Veteran one is supposed to be a punishment for not alerting when the Con Artist visited them.

The Vigi one I can understand tho why it's a problem so I'll remove it.
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Re: Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:21 pm

Benn3 wrote:
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:ok the role seems good, but the TK thing is broken and makes no sense

The jailor thing will instantly out the trusted mafia member

Veteran makes no sense because he shoots anyone not caring who tf they are

Vigi dying from guilt for killing a mafia member would be punishing vigi for doing their job



I edited the Jailor one so that it's only if they execute one of them.

The Veteran one is supposed to be a punishment for not alerting when the Con Artist visited them.

The Vigi one I can understand tho why it's a problem so I'll remove it.


The jailor thing becomes the same problem than vigi, exceot that without a so high cost, you shouldnt be punished if you kill a mafia member
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Re: Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby runningwiththepower » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:01 am

I like the idea of this role but "-Outcomes vary based on the deceived target's role" takes this role from a good idea to way too overly complicated. Even veteran players will surely have a hard time remembering all the different possible outcomes Con Artist can do since its so role-dependent.

Maybe this is just a phrasing issue though.

How about if you phrased it like:
-You may select two targets each night
-You will deceive your first target, having your second target, gain their trust---allowing them to become immune to their role ability's effects*** (within reason cough Jailor cough)

Ex. Alice is ConArtist. N1 she picks Sally(Sheriff) and Maybelle(Consort). Sally sherifs Maybelle and gets INNO. N2, Alice picks Jeremiah(Psychic) & Xander(Vampire). Xander will show up as Good in Xander's visions.

That could work---and allows the possibility to fuck around a bit more with Town by allowing them to pick NonMafia members if they so choose :D
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Re: Con Artist (Mafia Support)

Postby Brilliand » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:56 pm

I think this role overlaps too much with the current Disguiser. It has mostly the same effect on Investigative roles, but has to pick a single player to be deceived, and can deceive other roles besides Investigatives.

I think in balance it's underpowered, since being able to guess which player will be a problem AND which Mafia member they will be a problem for is a little too difficult.
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