Mafia's Master Plan idea (Astral attack)

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

So the premise is simple. The Mafia has 1 "Master Plan" they can use throughout the entire game. If it fails, it fails. Here's how it works.

The Mafia starts with 1 Master plan. Once it's used, regardless of who used it, it's gone. The Mafia is told at the beginning of every night if they have their plan or not.
If there is a Godfather alive, he may choose to preform the Master Plan whenever he chooses.
If there is a Mafioso alive and no Godfather, he may choose to preform the Master Plan whenever he chooses.
Godfathers/Mafiosos can preform the master plan by selecting themself, then another target at night. Trackers/LOs/Spys will not see them target themself.

When the Godfather/Mafioso uses the Master Plan, the attack they deal on the same night will be a Basic Astral attack. It will not be registered by LO, Spy, BG, Tracker, Trapper, or Crus.
For technical purposes, the Mafioso is the one who always preforms the attack. If he is roleblocked/jailed, the Godfather will carry out the plan. If they both are stopped, the plan is not used, and can be used again. Hitting an immune target does not count as failing.


This is basically a rework of the current idea of the "ninja attack" that the devs thought about giving to the Mafioso. I wanted it to make it so that, regardless of who was alive, the Mafia would be able to use their ninja attack (say a SK killed the Mafioso N1. now Mafia can't use the ninja attack). Also the name is up for change if someone comes up with something better.

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

Moved to the appropriate subforum

woops
guess this is a role idea huh

[Mystoc]

its so simple thats it good, but it feels forced like heres your unstoppable attack, it should expire at some point I dont like the idea of just hoarding for the jailor forever,

their should be a reward for playing jailor silent any good mafia would just save it forever until jailor is outed

ide say let them have it until n4 then it goes away or their needs to be at least 3 mafia alive or it cant be used

[TheFluffyWaffleV2]

its so simple thats it good, but it feels forced like heres your unstoppable attack, it should expire at some point I dont like the idea of just hoarding for the jailor forever,

The attack is not unstoppable. It is just astral. Doctors will still stop the attack.

their should be a reward for playing jailor silent any good mafia would just save it forever until jailor is outed

Debatable.

ide say let them have it until n4 then it goes away or their needs to be at least 3 mafia alive or it cant be used

Eh... I'd rather them be able to use it whenever.

[Mystoc]

The attack is not unstoppable. It is just astral. Doctors will still stop the attack.

its pointless then you use it once just not to kill jailor anyway sure no one saw you but who cares jailor is still alive

Eh... I'd rather them be able to use it whenever.

i mean then jailor is just screwed no matter the power of jailor his him forcing all the good roles to stack on him well he kills and get info, if you force jailor to stay quite then their needs to be a time he can take lead again, the main power of jailor is he takes to lead to fast this idea should be to delay it for at least half the game imo not do it forever otherwise its unfair

[Brilliand]

i mean then jailor is just screwed no matter the power of jailor his him forcing all the good roles to stack on him well he kills and get info, if you force jailor to stay quite then their needs to be a time he can take lead again, the main power of jailor is he takes to lead to fast this idea should be to delay it for at least half the game imo not do it forever otherwise its unfair

Not really...
1) If the jailor does well enough early on that the town is winning by a landslide then the mafia's Master Plan won't save them.
2) I don't think the Jailor is the Town's designated leader; in fact I think trying not to make the Jailor the leader would help compensate for how overpowered the role is in other ways. He's already a super-Escort and a super-Vigilante at the same time (plus a nerfed Doctor on the side), isn't that enough?

(granted the super-Escort portion is planned to be nerfed soon, but that still leaves a lot.)

[Mystoc]

Not really...
1) If the jailor does well enough early on that the town is winning by a landslide then the mafia's Master Plan won't save them.
2) I don't think the Jailor is the Town's designated leader; in fact I think trying not to make the Jailor the leader would help compensate for how overpowered the role is in other ways. He's already a super-Escort and a super-Vigilante at the same time (plus a nerfed Doctor on the side), isn't that enough?

(granted the super-Escort portion is planned to be nerfed soon, but that still leaves a lot

You could say that with any role for town to do bad they would need hang their own team there is a breaking point where jail can reveal and it helping. Mafia also gets the chance to kill an unconfirmed jail before he reveals each night so he could easily just die at night randomly or through consig finding him, lastly if he does reveal there a chance all tp died so it doesn’t even matter unlike the start of the game where everyone is still alive

Getting claims and being confiramble with night chat do make him leader though mayor can’t be healed when he reveals or be whispered to jailor is a much bettter leader since he also has the ability to kill

The prob isnt that he can lead the prob is he can lead with no fear of death and that’s what this change is trying to do make jail or afraid to reveal not nerf his cofirmability. With night chat that isn’t possible to do jail or will always be confirmed