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Role Name: Lamia


Role Description: You are a half-snake woman who uses her powerful magic to trick the town.


Role Alignment: Neutral Evil


Abilities: Select a player to enchant their house. All visits toward them, including your own, are astral for the night.


Attributes: Astral visits will not count as visits for the purposes of the Veteran, Lookout, Tracker, Bodyguard, etc.


Goal: Live to see town lose.


Investigative Results:

Sheriff: Your target seems innocent!
Investigator: Doctor, Disguiser, Serial Killer, Lamia, or Potion Master(I give it these results specifically because TP would be an decently easy role to fakeclaim as this role, since TPs as a whole are harder to confirm with its existence.)
Consigliere: Your target is a beautiful sorceress. They must be a lamia!


Additional Information: I thought of this role as a means to counter Lookout meta. If this visits a TPLO call, town wouldn't be able to prove any TP claims at all as the lookout wouldn't see any visits. But it has use beyond that, as it can help killing roles kill without being caught by Lookout, neuter Veterans that alerted that night, or give people a safety net against the Werewolf. Optionally, I would move Jester and Executioner to Neutral Benign as this and Witch seem to fit the concept better.

All visits to the player in question become astral. Including his own.

This is a pretty good option for a new NE role if Jester and Executioner are moved out of NE.

If it were a Mafia role it would be overpowered, but as an NE role if anything it's too weak because it doesn't have any way to detect the Mafia to figure out who its allies are.

Sudura2020 wrote:thinkin about it, aint this role just coverin for the town being op? it's all counters, innit. like a bag of galaxy counters. or an accounting department.

Yeah, and at first I misread it as a Mafia role and thought it was pretty dumb. But... as an NE, there's a lot of skill involved in guessing which target will be useful to visit on any given night. I think that makes it OK.

Unreliable counters that require predicting the actions of players who aren't being honest with you are in general a good thing.

You could spam it on a Jailor if a lot of TPs had died and Mafia could just easily swoop up the free kill.

But still overall good

The flavor is kinda questionable

but the Abilities and Attributes are great! I like this role.
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MacReturned wrote:You could spam it on a Jailor if a lot of TPs had died and Mafia could just easily swoop up the free kill.

Doesn't seem like a problem for me really, since once a lot of TPs have died the Jailor is probably unprotected anyway.

(And if there are still TPs around, then one of them might be a Doctor, which this doesn't stop.)

Throw the role on the pile for testing. So long as it stays NE it seems damn perfect to splinter the TPLO meta.

Just needs the lore and results fleshed out.

I've redone the lore for this role, pulling from Greek Mythology to make it.

Sudura2020 wrote:sounds a lot like it doesnt become astral he just is astral tho or it kinda causes a time paradox dont it

This role seems like something that could cause a paradox, but I can't actually think of an example that would result in a paradox. Everything is solved by the explanation "this role becomes astral when its ability resolves, and everything that cares about astral has lower priority than it". Since none of the paradox-causing roles (roles that redirect or roleblock) care about Astral, that works out nicely.

Things might get weird if a role that "roleblocks all visitors" gets added, but I think the natural ruling there is that that role would roleblock the Lamia.

MacReturned wrote:You could spam it on a Jailor if a lot of TPs had died and Mafia could just easily swoop up the free kill.

But still overall good

That's the point dude, it stops the TP/LO meta. I like this role a lot

I'm concerned that in practice, that a weaker role like medium claims to test the TP/LO meta. All go on that, if they get scared off then Jailor doesn't claim. If not the jailor can claim and do it on D2.

Or for example. TP/LO all go on Player 1.

JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm concerned that in practice, that a weaker role like medium claims to test the TP/LO meta. All go on that, if they get scared off then Jailor doesn't claim. If not the jailor can claim and do it on D2.

Or for example. TP/LO all go on Player 1.

So you're saying that the Jailor meta will be delayed for a day if this role isn't in the game, or canceled entirely if it is? That's pretty good.

Brilliand wrote:

JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm concerned that in practice, that a weaker role like medium claims to test the TP/LO meta. All go on that, if they get scared off then Jailor doesn't claim. If not the jailor can claim and do it on D2.

Or for example. TP/LO all go on Player 1.

So you're saying that the Jailor meta will be delayed for a day if this role isn't in the game, or canceled entirely if it is? That's pretty good.

Jailor meta won't be delayed, the crux of it is confirming TPs via the LO. But if the Jailor is alive, it would delay their protection a day yeah. Sure it's a step in the right direction but I am not entirely sure if it'll solve the issue.

JacksonVirgo wrote:Jailor meta won't be delayed, the crux of it is confirming TPs via the LO. But if the Jailor is alive, it would delay their protection a day yeah. Sure it's a step in the right direction but I am not entirely sure if it'll solve the issue.

I think nullifying the meta if this role shows up in the game is all we can reasonably expect one role to do.

Brilliand wrote:

JacksonVirgo wrote:Jailor meta won't be delayed, the crux of it is confirming TPs via the LO. But if the Jailor is alive, it would delay their protection a day yeah. Sure it's a step in the right direction but I am not entirely sure if it'll solve the issue.

I think nullifying the meta if this role shows up in the game is all we can reasonably expect one role to do.

That's true