Forger (Mafia Deception)

[DragonClaw66]

Name: Forger
Alignment: Mafia Deception
Summary: A crooked lawyer that replaces documents.
Stats: Attack - None (Temporary Basic), Defense - None
Specials: Factional Kill, Mafia Chat
Type: Non-Unique

Sheriff Results: Your target is suspicious!
Investigator Results: N/A
Consigliere Results: Your target is good at forging documents. They must be a Forger.

Abilities:
- Forge a player at night.
- Edit a forged will during the day.
Attributes:
- Upon clicking a target to forge, you will be given the opportunity to select a role that they will appear as upon their death. Your target will also have their real will replaced with your forgery.
- Your target will have their true role and will revealed after two days.
- You will have access to both the forged and true wills of your targets.

Goal: Kill anyone who doesn’t submit to the Mafia.
Victory Conditions:
- (Current Mafia win conditions).

Achievements:
- Fabricate: Win 1 game as a Forger.
- Misdirection: Win 5 games as a Forger.
- Counterfeit: Win 10 games as a Forger.
- The Proof is in the Pudding: Win 25 games as a Forger.
- Derailed: Forge a will on an Investigator.
- Hinder: Forge a will on a Spy.
- Lost Information: Forge a will on a Jailor.

Extra Information:
- Town roles that are forged into non-Town roles cannot be revived until revealed.
- This role uses Tactical Mafia mechanics, which is why it can choose to perform the factional kill.

[Rivelle]

Forgers shouldn't be able to change their target's roles.
It's basically an overpowered janitor, even if the true roles and wills are revealed 2 days later. Too easy to create a fake will.
It's also a nice feature for forgers to be able to go undetected when in the right hands

[Brilliand]

IMO it's better to not assume previous ideas when posting your new idea, unless they're truly necessary for the role. In this case, your Forger variant would obviously work just fine without tactical mafia, so it shouldn't be written in a way that implies that tactical mafia is a prerequisite.

I like the idea of making forgings temporary to give it a downside relative to Janitor, although I'm still not quite convinced that role-forging is the way to go in buffing the Forger.

[lemonader666]

Honestly, just the word "Forging" already gives it a bad rep. I don't think adding an extra ability won't "fix" forger, because it's original ability needs to change drastically. "Forging" just doesn't work, bro.

[JacksonVirgo]

The whole ability to edit the will during the day can be abused. I originally thought that it's a good idea but without a meta being developed storing multiple different roles and wills, it could be a stronger version of the Consigliere where you get the target's role AND full will meaning you can perhaps know when they are a Veteran and about to alert or out of alerts etc.

However if a meta is developed, this might be a bit different but I honestly don't think a Forger really works without either a complete rework, leaving it as is or just removing the role completely.

[DragonClaw66]

The whole ability to edit the will during the day can be abused. I originally thought that it's a good idea but without a meta being developed storing multiple different roles and wills, it could be a stronger version of the Consigliere where you get the target's role AND full will meaning you can perhaps know when they are a Veteran and about to alert or out of alerts etc.

However if a meta is developed, this might be a bit different but I honestly don't think a Forger really works without either a complete rework, leaving it as is or just removing the role completely.

The editing during the day doesn't allow you to see the target's will, it simply lets you start working on a fake will so that you have more time (you aren't just restricted to the night phase.

I'm still contemplating whether or not this (my) role is necessary. I've gotten multiple replies that this kind of role just doesn't really fit. Not sure what to do with it.