Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

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Do you think this role is over-powdered? (Other questions as well)

Yes(Over-powdered)
1
8%
No(Under-powdered)
1
8%
Role should be able to win with anyone like a survivor not just factions
1
8%
Role should only win with town or mafia
0
No votes
Role should only win with town
2
15%
Role seems boring to play as
4
31%
Role seems absolutely impossible to play against
0
No votes
Role is just plain stupid
3
23%
I love this role on all levels
0
No votes
Role is okay, but I think some of my own are better
1
8%
 
Total votes : 13

Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby number2345432 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:18 pm

Name: Blacksmith

Alignment: Neutral benign

Attack: None

Defense: None

Unique Role: No

Abilities: Each night choose a town member to make them an armor vest.

Attributes: Giving someone this armor vest will allot them powerful defense for the night of their choosing. You cannot choose yourself or the same person twice. You can only make 4 armor vest in total.

Mechanics: Each night you make a powerful defense vest for the person of your choosing. You can’t choose yourself or the same person twice, unless you are controlled by a witch or transported into doing so. During the next day, or any day after that. The receiver of the vest can choose to put it on the following night, giving them powerful defense. After that night, the person can no longer use the vest. Because it only gives powerful defense, the wearer can still be killed by the jailor, an arsonist, or a jester's night attack.

-Investigative Results-
Sheriff: You cannot find evidence of wrongdoing, your target seems innocent.

Investigator: Your target could be a Serial Killer, Vigilante, or Blacksmith

Consigliere/Witch: Your target makes armor for others, they must be a blacksmith.

Goal: Survive and win with the faction of your choice.

Wins With: Town, Mafia, Coven, Witches

Must Kill: Arsonists, Serial Killers, Vampires, Werewolves, Juggernauts, Plaguebearers, and Pestilence

Purpose/Reason: To allow the faction of your choosing, benefits. For example, you could gift the mayor of the town an armor vest to make up for an absent or dead bodyguard. To allow an escort to safely roleblock a Serial Killer. To allow a mafioso to attack a veteran/serial killer and live. To allow a veteran an extra night of defense. To allow any role protection for one night of their choosing.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby Brilliand » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:58 pm

Apparently the entire purpose of this role is to be a kingmaker? Not a good idea.

You took the worst trait of the Survivor and made it worse.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby 601birds » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:48 am

Too easy.

It's interesting that they can't win with NKs. I can see how that would influence the Blacksmith strategy. But it's also far too easy to get NKs killed, and from then the Blacksmith has won. Then you've got a victorious neutral scenario, which is one of the unique joys of Executioner. It's not really something you want too much of in a game, especially if the Blacksmith has won but still has their vests. Even accounting for the fact that you would only get Blacksmiths in All Any or Custom, which normally have higher rates of NK, it's just too hard for NKs to win for it to be a challenging role.

I would also make using the vests instant. That way, they can bargain for their life instead of outliving their usefulness once they've given out their four vests. It keeps power in the Blacksmith's hands and makes them more like a neutral doc, less likely to be bullied by town. I like the idea that a neutral has a power that can help any faction, but it doesn't feel like it has a solid win condition that would make it interesting.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby SantanaTheSmall » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:48 pm

I don’t like the win condition. It’s just a survivor/temporary doc.

The guy will announce D1. Town will lynch him if he doesn’t visit the guy who asks for TP LO, and he’ll switch over once the evil faction gets the upper hand.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby thEXP » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:41 am

First issue, you made your own invest result. You should never do that. Secondly, is it's win condition to survive, but without NK/NC? That is a worse survivor.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby Pikachu5128 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:31 am

"serial killer, vigilante, blacksmith" dafuq
Favorite Role: Jailor
Meh roles: Coven Leader, Potion Master, Mafioso, Godfather
HATED ROLES: Forger, Consort, Ambusher, Disguiser, Medium, Psychic, (even though its really important) Hex Master, Medusa, Veteran, Vigilante, yeah i hate a lot of roles...
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby Brilliand » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:44 pm

I object to the references to "powder" in the poll. So far as I can tell this role does not involve powder.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby Duckferno » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:50 pm

The Investigation Results is Simply to obvious, don't create your own. Second of all, Not winning with an NK is oblivious. How about if you try to armor an NK/NC/NE and they already have basic/powerful/invincible armor it gives the blacksmith a message like "Your target declined the vest, you scrap the armor."

The only one you can't win with should be vamps. You shouldn't win with them unless converted. If you try to armor a vampire you should get a message like "You were bitten by the person you visited, you have turned into a Vampire!" But overall the idea isn't really good. This is basically for Coven/Mafia/Town members excluding GodFather and Coven Leader (With Necron). So I say it pretty much useless.
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Re: Blacksmith(Neutral Benign)

Postby number2345432 » Thu May 14, 2020 12:01 am

Brilliand wrote:I object to the references to "powder" in the poll. So far as I can tell this role does not involve powder.




Oh my! Thank you so much for writing this. I made this while ago. I meant to say "powered" of course. Great Catch!
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