Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at will.

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Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at will.

Postby SilverCruz » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:41 pm

If nothing else, this would be a band-aid approach to Quitproofing that doesn't involve coding Quitbots because if you're a Forger or Janitor and the Godfather or Mafioso quit Day 1, you can at least do something about that and not let the town instantly know that your faction has decapitated itself. Other than that, if a Vigilante announces their plans to shoot a member of the Mafia and the Executioner isn't dead, you can forge that member of the Mafia as being a Jester so that the Executioner has more wiggle room and it won't be suspicious that the Vigilante won't die from guilt the next night over, or if you're a Janitor just clean them so that the town doesn't know for sure who they just shot.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby Midio7 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:02 pm

This sounds like a good idea actually.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby WaveAqualei » Wed May 05, 2021 9:15 am

I've been wanting to do this for ages, thank you for bringing it up.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby noveiia » Thu May 06, 2021 1:25 pm

I also agree but for Coven game modes this should extend to Ambusher. If you know Vig for example is going to target the Mafioso or the Mafioso has been roleblocked every night but you don’t know who’s doing it the Ambusher can in a sense “protect” the Mafioso.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby alex1234321 » Thu May 06, 2021 1:27 pm

I would argue that all Mafia members should be able to target each other, at least in Ranked. It might encourage gamethrowing, but there are other much easier ways to gamethrow as Maf. That would help limit weird actions with Transporter in addition to providing more utility for some of the roles.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby noveiia » Thu May 06, 2021 1:34 pm

Honestly I feel like if some mechanic applies to ranked it should apply to every game mode, but I don’t mind every Mafia role being able to target each other considering some Coven roles get to (CL can control targets into coven members, PM can heal coven members, etc).
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby Emily372 » Thu May 06, 2021 3:06 pm

IMO, I agree with noveiia when she mentioned that this should apply to ambusher, because if an investigator wants to investigate a member of the Mafia, the ambusher could ambush them to kill the investigator. The same idea could be said for the Sheriff and Tracker, who might also want to investigate them. This should make for some interesting mafia plays. That Escort who keeps on roleblocking your godfather? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. That vigilante who is about to shoot your mafioso? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. That investigator who wants to make sure your consort isn't a consort? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. This could be combined with the Forger/Janitor play from earlier to prevent skeptical lookouts from analyzing the dead mafia members to confirm potential Forgers/Janitors.
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby OreCreeper » Thu May 06, 2021 4:12 pm

Emily372 wrote:IMO, I agree with noveiia when she mentioned that this should apply to ambusher, because if an investigator wants to investigate a member of the Mafia, the ambusher could ambush them to kill the investigator. The same idea could be said for the Sheriff and Tracker, who might also want to investigate them. This should make for some interesting mafia plays. That Escort who keeps on roleblocking your godfather? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. That vigilante who is about to shoot your mafioso? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. That investigator who wants to make sure your consort isn't a consort? Boom. Killed by an ambusher. This could be combined with the Forger/Janitor play from earlier to prevent skeptical lookouts from analyzing the dead mafia members to confirm potential Forgers/Janitors.

Thing about ambusher is that it is already incredibly powerful. I would say that the role does not need any buffs except maybe a chance to hide itself with a "cautious mode".
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Re: Forger and Janitor should be able to target Mafia at wil

Postby SilverCruz » Thu May 06, 2021 5:50 pm

Yeah, it'd definitely make sense for Ambusher too, no arguments there.
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I'd like to address the latter part, but I wouldn't know the first thing about that.
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