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Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:33 pmby EvanManManMan
This was a shit role that should never have existed. It relies entirely on random guessing in the earlier stages and gets extremely restricted late game. Even the role ideas subforum is smart enough to deny roles that rely on the existence of other roles and this somehow got accepted. I am aware that it does not have to be included in games, but the fact that it gets any degree of acknowledgement is just sad. By supporting this thread, you can remove this shitty role from the game and bring justice to FM.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:34 pmby Schultz128
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:35 pmby EvanManManMan
I have reached an official agreement with the mods (that the mods have not yet agreed upon) that if over half of the FM playerbase based on the most recent estimation vote options 1 or 3 the role will be removed.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:36 pmby Schultz128
In all seriousness I think the role is pretty bad.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:39 pmby Varanus
It was just voted in
This isn't how it works
We probably do need a proper method of getting rid of roles though, for future reference
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:42 pmby Metrion
Just don't run it?
Or be more vocal in the voting stage?
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:46 pmby Metrion
Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I don't think the three have been reviewed by the balance team anyway so I'm not sure why they are being added officially in any capacity yet.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:47 pmby Kmenx
Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I wouldn't call 3 people majority myself
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:49 pmby EvilDeanius0
At least wait until the next stage of voting before removing it, since it only just got voted in.
It may be bad but it got voted, so it should stay for now, otherwise what is the point of voting for roles if you're just going to immediately remove ones you don't like?
I chose option 3 for memes, but count my vote as "No" for the above reason
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:49 pmby Metrion
Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I wouldn't call 3 people majority myself
I wasn't aware the results were public, was there only three votes for it?
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:50 pmby Kmenx
Metrion wrote:Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I wouldn't call 3 people majority myself
I wasn't aware the results were public, was there only three votes for it?
Yes
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:50 pmby Chemist1422
I think it should be tested more before an official position is given.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:51 pmby Kmenx
Chemist1422 wrote:I think it should be tested more before an official position is given.
It already got tested though
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:52 pmby Kmenx
I voted yes but it mostly got picked because people were too busy to vote actual roles so I don't care if it stays or goes
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:53 pmby ChubbyMooshroom9
tbf the other two roles got 3 votes too
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:56 pmby Chemist1422
Kmenx wrote:Chemist1422 wrote:I think it should be tested more before an official position is given.
It already got tested though
Was the list in that game balanced though
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:59 pmby Metrion
Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I wouldn't call 3 people majority myself
I wasn't aware the results were public, was there only three votes for it?
Yes
Okay that is dumb unless like only 7 people voted
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:26 pmby EvanManManMan
Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I don't think the three have been reviewed by the balance team anyway so I'm not sure why they are being added officially in any capacity yet.
You are wrong. Mirrorer was already tested in 14B and it was a massive failure. Part of that failure could come from a horrifically designed setup but it didn't work and received consistently negative criticism in post game. It was approved to attempt to be balanced and flopped, making the addition even more questionable.
I already acknowledged your point of not running it in the OP.
Vocality? The role as mentioned got across the board negative opinions. Nobody liked it after the game where it was tested. The general opinion was clear and it got added anyways due to 3 people picking it (most likely Ultiix's alts)
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:29 pmby EvanManManMan
ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:tbf the other two roles got 3 votes too
Yes but the other roles aren't god awful
The only big error is that Silencer should be mafia head as it's too much power for a nonunique roll that can roll alongside another head.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:30 pmby EvanManManMan
Chemist1422 wrote:Kmenx wrote:Chemist1422 wrote:I think it should be tested more before an official position is given.
It already got tested though
Was the list in that game balanced though
Ultiix designed the game. No it wasn't. That doesn't take away the fact that in that environment the role was still a massive failure
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:44 pmby Metrion
EvanManManMan wrote:Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I don't think the three have been reviewed by the balance team anyway so I'm not sure why they are being added officially in any capacity yet.
You are wrong. Mirrorer was already tested in 14B and it was a massive failure. Part of that failure could come from a horrifically designed setup but it didn't work and received consistently negative criticism in post game. It was approved to attempt to be balanced and flopped, making the addition even more questionable.
I already acknowledged your point of not running it in the OP.
Vocality? The role as mentioned got across the board negative opinions. Nobody liked it after the game where it was tested. The general opinion was clear and it got added anyways due to 3 people picking it (most likely Ultiix's alts)
Also, with roles, if the entire balance team (Metrion, Swordsworth, alzar, and myself) find that a role is unbalanced or broken, it will be excluded.
Not sure what you're replying to in the first paragraph as that's not what I'm talking about.
Your touch on just not running it was you literally crying, so I'm not sure how I can actually treat that as a point. If the role is ignored it would obviously fall from it's status.
At least three people liked it. Which makes it tied for the most popular role. I think if anything it's just shown that the system is poor if it isn't a true representation. Either not a lot of people voted or the votes were split among 30 possible roles. Making the system not first past the post pressumably would be the first step. Lastly, if you're going to say thar schultz isn't aware of alts voting then I think you aren't even attempting to have a serious conversation.
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:39 pmby OllyRenard
Tfw I voted too quickly to read the third option
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:21 pmby BasicFourLife
Yes
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:24 pmby BS4125
OllyRenard wrote:Tfw I voted too quickly to read the third option
Re: Petition to remove Mirrorer from experimental rolecards
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:29 amby Kmenx
Metrion wrote:Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Kmenx wrote:Metrion wrote:Dash2 wrote:A lot of people stated it was bad during submission phase I'm pretty sure
Clearly not the majority.
I wouldn't call 3 people majority myself
I wasn't aware the results were public, was there only three votes for it?
Yes
Okay that is dumb unless like only 7 people voted
Yeah most of this thread is actually retarded they didn't vote a role and complain about a role getting picked
